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No one else can say it quite like "The T-Man". That's a good thing, yes?

Here we go again. CLICK

VPW listed his state of residence as Ohio. HERE is the Ohio law as it pertains to sex crimes. (He wasn't just another second rate con-man, he was a criminal.)

Straight out of the PFAL class. Do you ever actually think for yourself, John, or do you simply fall back on VP's pat answers without considering whether they're true or not?

Have you ever been raped, John? How about your wife? Your mother? Your sister? Think that's irrelevent or off the table? I don't think so. It comes as no surprise to me that your pals aren't fond of GSC. Who really wants to admit to themself they were once part of such a vile organization?

"VP....preached a gospel that excused sin, his sin. Yet, if you ate a cookie during a colon cleanse...you deserved to die. That is just downright evil." ------------------------------------ May I point out----? For those who may think this is an exaggeration.....it's not! What Geisha is referring to is a specific event that happened in the Way Corps. (1974 or 1975) I'm not good at searches but here is the gist of it. Gary D. left HQ grounds during a period when the Corps was on the cleanse. (To get a snack in town) He was the passenger in a car driven by another Corps member, John N. They were in a horrible car wreck and Gary died as a result. Wierwille called the driver, to his face, a murderer for cheating on the cleanse. Then, he told the rest of the Corps that if they had cheated on the cleanse, as well, they were guilty of murder, too. What kind of sick, heartless bastard uses a time of grief and mourning to promote his own twisted agenda? Not one with a "ministry from God", I dare say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvpa3Og7qRg&feature=related

Yes, it's good to remember we should always look on the bright side of life.

I wonder if there are still people out there who think Jim Jones was simply a misunderstood soul on a noble quest.

Wierdwilly made a big deal, in PFAL, about how "A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country". Same thing, really. Wierwille, using scripture, along with his backdoor approach, to imply that he, himself, was a prophet. "Oh, poor me. Nobody gives me the respect I should be getting. Boo Hoo." ----He was no prophet. He was a drunken sexual predator whose life was driven by his insatiable thirst for selfish pleasures. He was a rapist. I don't use that term cavalierly. He used his position of authority to take sexual advantage of trusting followers. That makes him a rapist, the same way it does for a professor, a priest, a therapist, a doctor or anyone else in a position of authority. Whether any of these other guys were guilty of similar actions is a moot point because it's mr. wierwille's deceptive practices that are on the examination table at the moment..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVUvpdT-NY

It's all about the CHA CHING!

Unless you, yourself, have been a victim of rape, John, I must say, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Jim D. is not the subject of this thread. Please stop trying to redirect the focus.

When I look up to the skies I see your eyes a funny kind of yellow I rush home to bed I soak my head I see your face underneath my pillow I wake next morning, tired, still yawning See your face come peeping through my window

-----Petula Clark

There is a similar thread on exway vision.

I think I'm morally superior? How on earth did you come to that conclusion? This isn't about my morals or yours. This is about a guy who lived a life of excess and deceit, a guy who abused his position of authority to deliberately conduct himself in a manner that was destructive to other people's lives. Stop trying to make this about something other than what it is. Try to stay on point here, John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hv6sQXI1WY

There's a difference, John. Most of what you are seeing other posters bring to this discussion, whether right or wrong, has been filtered through a critical thinking process using logic and reason. Most of what I have seen in your posts, in contrast, has been filtered through the "Yo Mamma" thought process.

To all my fellow Greasers:

Can you explain what this means? I have seen that church leaders are not supposed to live a life of debauchery and greed. What part am I not seeing?

Yes.