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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgnkKGwIlo

"....if the objection should be raised "why not let the Holy Spirit do all the praying? Why should we pray at all?" an answer would be: a child of God needs to - wants to pour out their heart to God the Holy Spirit prays only in the hearts of those who pray God has commanded his people to pray and has promised a response there may be many human prayers which do NOT need to be counteracted by the Holy Spirit" This a problem I always had with SIT. Don't know what to pray for, how to pray for it? No problem! Just SIT. ....That way you don't actually have to collect your thoughts or give serious intellectual contemplation to your request. It never sounded like a healthy approach to inner reflection to me. Of course, I went along with it anyhow, hoping someday I, too, would be "spiritually mature" enough to understand it. Sigh.

It's All The Same PART 1 PART 2

From one dumb blonde to---- oops---can't say that. (The is a little back-arrow to the left of the posters name in your cut and paste. Click on that to go back to the link of origin.)

1.Why? Because, pretty much everyone else in the world understands that adultery is wrong. On the issue of the trinity, however, opinions are as varied as -------some kind of stuff that's really varied. 2. I suppose on this one, the key word would have to be "likemindedness". What does it really mean? Does it mean you all share the exact same opinion on everything? No divergence of interpretation? Well, that doesn't sound like any kind of "fellowship" I would enjoy, Christian or otherwise. 3. Here, again, what is "the root"? What does it mean to be "tapped to it"? I mean, I don't mind a good tap beer from time to time. A tap root beer, though? Not so much. On as more serious note, though, it's really about maintaining a certain level of self delusion. Like doing sit-ups every day or something. Gotta maintain the proper muscle tone or the old six pack might start to look like a pony keg. Speaking in tongues is like that, too. Gotta speak in tongues, much, every day or your spiritual connection will get a short circuit. You'll be left alone in the cold dark night without a flashlight, naked to the breeze. Self delusion. Use it or lose it.

John, between the time I posted in post #363 and you responded in post #364, 19 minutes elapsed. Do you really expect me to believe you actually reviewed the links I posted in 19 minutes? I don't think you did. If you had, you most likely would have addressed one point or another from those links rather than resorting to your usual diversional tactics.

You really must start paying closer attention, John. First, a very high percentage of what Wierwille taught was plagiarized from other sources, such as Bullinger, Stiles, Leonard, Jones and so on. He was aware it was not original but he intentionally concealed that fact. Second, quite a bit of it was not accurate, anyhow. Take a few minutes and review THIS. I'm not convinced he "believed what he taught 'Biblically'." (Whatever that means.), nor am I convinced "He loved the word of God." Refer to THIS. I do agree, however, that he was able to communicate and encourage us to enlist the participation of others. That's what con-men do. They con-vince you and gain your con-fidence.

FellowLaborers of Ohio lived at an apartment complex near The Wayside Truck Stop.

Who said I had to love the dirty old horn-dog?

Do you walk to school or carry our lunch? Take it anyway you want to take it. Common sense tells you what the man did was vile and reprehensible. I can't help it if you choose to ignore the facts.

Another "Do you still beat your wife?" argument. You can take The Bible, the scriptures, philosophical concepts and the like out of the discussion and the fact still remains the same. The man misused his position of authority to manipulate and abuse other people. He left a wake of misery in the process. You don't have to be of any particular "spiritual persuasion" to understand that.

I think he was more like a polecat, leaving behind a trail of "stink".

The End of the World

I don't think it's ad hominem. If John really thinks it's OK that VPW raped others for the furtherance of "the word", it shouldn't bother him to consider what it would have been like if he, himself, had been the recipient of VPW's "attention".

Maybe that's it. Maybe Johnny shared that "special, spiritual experience" (VPW, in CF&S Class) with Doc Vic. After all, Wierwille said that the "deed" is what constituted marriage. (also in CF&S) You surely wouldn't expect Johnny to speak poorly of his spouse now, would you?

Wierwille's demise reminds me of the demise of Atahualpa, the last emperor of The Inca Empire. His followers thought he was Divine and would rise from the grave after his execution. But, alas, he was just a man. His empire fell apart quickly after his death. The Royal Hunt of the Sun

Do you suppose it's just a coincidence he is using the Corps principles as a basis for his program? To Fearlessly Pursue an Understanding of these Principles: 1. Acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness. 2. Receive training in the whole Word so as to be able to teach others. 3. Physical training making your physical body, the vehicle of communication of the Word, as vital as possible. 4. Practice believing to bring material abundance to you and the Ministry. 5. Go forth as leaders and workers in areas of concern, interest and need. SOURCE (Maybe God showed them to him during one of those terrible black-snow storms in Mississippi.) Maybe this part is a coincidence, as well: Any volunteer may be dismissed at any time and/or program cancelled at sole discretion of those charged with oversight.

You may consider eyewitness testimony from individuals, but when you conclude that "old man Wierwille never taught safe boundaries, and VP was a bully, and he set a goal in 1942 to scam people and in 1970 he would finally get his well deserved virtual harem, and he was constantly drunk on Drambuie" (that stuff tastes like those old candy cigarettes, eww), you don't KNOW all that! It's pure speculation! It's obsessive. Actually John---we DO know all that. It's not speculation.

How can you NOT compare him to his Grand-daddy? He's made himself a virtual clone by intentionally resurrecting the Phoenix from the ashes.

Oh, Yeah!! Spirit! One of my all time favorite pre-Waydaze groups. My first twig leader convinced me they were "devilish" and got me to toss out my vinyls. Boy, was I dumb. Randy's story, in itself, is a fascinating read for people who get into that sort of thing. Anyhow, here is some more great material. CLICK

I don't know anything about this particular event. I am aware, however, of a similar event. At an Ohio limb meeting, in the early 1980s, at the Ohio State Fairgrounds, Wierewille took the stage and was quite visibly in some sort of distress, struggling desperately to finish his presentation, which he then ended abruptly. My father, who had seen him speak on previous occasions, turned to me and said, in a matter of fact tone, "He's had a stroke." Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people from across the state were present. Maybe someone else can fill in more details.

hahahaha! Yeah, to hear some people talk, you would think he was some kind of special, secret agent for the Lord or something. Why do I keep hearing that old Johnny Rivers song? There's a man who lives a life of debauchery..... C'mon, everybody, sing with me.

Across the evening sky, all the birds are leaving But how can they know it's time for them to go? Before the winter fire, I shall still be dreaming I do not count the time For who knows where the time goes? Who knows where the time goes? Sad, deserted shore, your fickle friends are leaving Ah, but then you know it's time for them to go But I shall still be here, I have no thought of leaving I have no thought of time For who knows where the time goes? Who knows where the time goes? And I am not alone while my love is near me I know it will be so until it's time to go So come the storms of winter and then the birds in spring again I do not fear the time For who knows how my love grows? And who knows where the time goes?

Why do we even bother comparing VPW to Biblical figures? There was nothing "Biblical" about him. We might as well compare him to famous lumberjacks or shoe salesmen.