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Wierwille taught "The Lockbox" in CF&S. He even used that specific terminology. Does anyone else remember this?

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Wierwille claimed (in CF&S) that God showed him what the original sin was but he couldn't substantiate it with scripture. "You'll just have to take my word on this."

That's an excellent point. What the heck is "spiritually clean" money? Is that supposed to be money that has never been remotely associated with anything evil? Does such a thing even exist? Has it EVER existed?

For whom was it a "safe harbor"? Certainly not Kristen

ad hominem alert! (generic fallacy)

Well, there were little hints all through the class (Freudian slips) that revealed the real Wierwille. Things like his comments on breasts, his private interpretation of the original sin being a particular sex act, etc. etc. But most of us got sucked into that nonsense about how you can renew your mind to the point of ---I don't know what the proper word or phrase is---you can be so spiritually mature or something that you wouldn't think such things are evil. Turns out, all that means is you can self delude yourself and become adept at rationalization if it suits your lusts.

I suppose so. I was really thinking more, though, of VP's Freudian slippers that he wore for all to see in the CF&S class. And we marveled at how comfortable they appeared to be.

My son sent me this. Why does it remind me of Wierwille and his Christian Sex Class?

One poster here has described an incidence of sexual imposition that he witnessed during the course of the CF&S class. And, he opined, it was actually good because it happened in what most people would call a church related setting. WTF?? What in the he!! was wrong with us that we bought into this horse crap? Better yet, what in the he!! is wrong with people who saw what was going on and still don't understand it?

I'm not so sure I would call the CF&S class porn. That's really a somewhat broad and subjective term that can mean many different things to many different people. I don't think, though, that anyone can deny it was totally irrelevant to the subject of "Biblical research and teaching". There was no research. There was no Bible (unless you count the various scriptures that were thrown in rather randomly to give it a Biblical flavor). And there really was no teaching. Just some horny old dude, rambling on about how it was important for Gawd's people to be current on all the latest gutter vernacular, showing pictures of rather private body parts and making strange comments like,"Aren't her breasts just gorgeous?".

Putting all the moral and Biblical aspects on the back-burner for the moment, here are two problems I have with the CF&S class. First, Wierwille claimed to have thrown all his secular materials away and used the Bible as his "only rule of faith and practice". Maybe the time-frame doesn't fit since his visit to California was at a later date than his miraculous snow storm incident. Does that make a difference? He devoted an entire section of the class to listing commonly used profanities. Where is it in the Bible (his only rule of faith and practice) that the term "up the old dirt road is used"? Either he decided to let the Bible be his only rule of faith and practice or he didn't. Period. Second, in PFAL, he rambled on and on about how "the Bible is of no private interpretation", yet, in CF&S, when presenting his theory on the original sin, he said,"You'll just have to trust me on this one." Forget about whether CF&S was Biblical or moral. The fact is, it was a shoddy piece of workmanship and reeked of hypocrisy.

I think we're all bozos on this bus!

Hallelujah! Now I understand what must have been going on in that white room with black fire engine red curtains.

I had a 1963 VW Microbus that was almost identical to this one. Need I say more?

You are probably confusing this with a similarly different but quite differently similar incident during which black snow spewed forth, totally obstructing the obscenely high gas prices on the pumps at the local "We Got Gas" convenient mart. That was the day I hauled all my Howlin' Wolf albums to the local dump and made Muddy Waters my only source of blues and mojo..

We're so sorry, Uncle Victor But we haven't witnessed Piffle once today. We're so sorry, Uncle Victor But your aura has been spoiled And I believe you're quite insane.

Always know sometimes think it's me, but you know I know and it's a dream. I think I know of thee, ah yes, but it's all wrong. That is I think I disagree.

How can anyone admit they were present when this stuff happened and then ask, "Where's the evidence?" I mean, you and I may have differing subjective viewpoints on the significance of it all but the objective reality is that it did, in fact, happen. That much isn't subject to opinion.

I took it 3 times. One of which took up probably 10 of the 89 pages in the 'big things I learned in pfal' thread. lol. This old guy got a boner and, well, ok never mind, but I do remember VP saying that Linda Lovelace made a movie with a German Shepherd and that the dog was smarter than she was; it was trying to get away. So you think it was alright that underage kids were exposed to the kinds of things that were in CF&S?

Very few people know it was actually me who wrote Woodstock. God gave it to me in a vision during a late summertime sno-cone storm. He said he would give me the words and music, along with the words and music to songs that people had been singing since the first century, if I would promise to transcribe it into tablature for the Bb ocarina. I promised Him, then and there, I would never again play Chopin on the kazoo if He would grant me this wish.

Ha! I've had several of those moments in my lifetime. I think the most painful one, though, was when I realized that VPW was nothing more than "the man behind the curtain". It feels good to be back in Kansas, Toto.

Oh, I don't know. Holding our questions in abeyance all those years ago seems to have led to its own set of consequences.