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Oh, yeah, Dr. Lininger. Wasn't he the president of The University of Chicago or something? Or was it Harvard? Ahhhhh...I have here in front of me a PFAL syllabus. .................................... POWER for abundant living with Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille Copyright, The Way Inc., 1968 .................................................

Are you sure? 'cause I could have sworn I heard him being introduced as "Dr." Wierwille. I mean, if he wasn't really a "Dr.", surely he would have insisted that people stop introducing him like that, no?

my job was to get those classes together and run twigs that grew and split. THAT is how I knew I was successful. I was in a limb town with a limb coordinator breathing down my back. He pushed me to run classes. After all, that is what I was there to do!!! It wasn't about moving the word...it was about running PFAL classes...the two are in no way synonymous. Exactly----It says as much right there in the Witnessing and Undershepherding syllabus on page 2. "The basic reason we witness is to help people into the classes on Power For Abundant Living and help them to walk on it."

GLORIA----Van Morrison and Them

Hey, there T.Z. Welcome to the party!

Nicely put, X.E.

Casting Pearls Before Swine.

Here's the irony, Ham. VP (You know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille used guilt to bully people into submission using the premise that, if they would submit to the MOG, they would, indeed, find refuge in a safe harbor. How did that one pan out?

I spent 4 years of my life, married to one of Gary's TWI "kids". I know lots of details that I feel no compulsion to share. So, don't go assuming I'm just spouting off about something I read on Greasespot.

I was around when it happened. I remember it quite clearly. VP used guilt and fear to bully people into submission. He went as far as to call John Neve (the driver) a murderer, straight to his face. He used guilt to get his way. Period. edit: The message he sent was "Do exactly as the MOG commands or horrific consequence will befall you and your loved ones". Wouldn"t want to be guilty of bringing harm to your loved ones, now would you?

Hahaha! Yeah, that one is quoted in PLAF (The Wonder Class), too.

Posted 09 May 2008 - 06:07 PM The death of this woman was certainly tragic. It amazes me how anyone could deny any resposibility on the part of VPW. From Karl Kahler's Book. Quote "Dunhoff died anyway. Wierwille called a meeting to announce his death. Then, said Desmond, Wierwille told everyone who had cheated on the colon cleanse to raise their hands. Then he told everyone who knew about the cheating to raise their hands. Everyone with a hand in the air, he said, was directly responsible for Gary Dunhoff's death." The aboove refers to the death of Gary Dunhoff who died as a result of a car accident while he was out "cheating" on the colon cleanse by eating some cookies. Wierwille held anyone who cheated on, or even knew about any cheating on the notorious colon cleanse "directly responsible for Gary Duhoff's death". So we have Wiwerwille, who cheated on his wife (adultry) while taking sexual advantage of a member of his flock, and as a result of of this, the woman commits suicide. Yet somehow, according to Oldiesman, Wiereille bears no responsibility. Oldiesman, in light of the above, please explain how and why Wierweille can hold these folks "directly responsible" for the death of Gary Dunhoff, and yet somehow not himself be directly responsible for the death of Sandra Sullivan. I await your reply. This post has been edited by Goey: 09 May 2008 - 06:09 PM Goey Many of my fondest memories in TWI... never really happened. SOURCE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes, there's your Wierwille who, supposedly, never used guilt to bully people into submission.

Well, it reminds me of the episode where Principle Poop addresses the More Science High School student body at the pep rally."My fellow kids......."

I'm fairly certain it's in session #5.

Raising children vs. witnessing and undershepherding Witnessing and Undershepherding (syllabus) Pg. 2 Our goal in in witnessing and undershepherding: "The basic reason we witness is to help people into the classes on Power For Abundant Living and help them to walk on it." -------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE LCM was presumptuous to act like we OWE twi our utmost commitment beyond our lifetime. VP wasn't like that. VP may have expected more of way corps, but he knew that it doesn't do God any favors to guilt people into serving. He as much as said that in the way living in love somewhere He may have said that in the book, but, it certainly wasn't reflected in the way he dealt with Gary Dunhoff's death.

Railroad tracks need to be parallel. Maybe that explains why TWI "jumped the track".

What do they owe "us"? Accountability------and an apology.

You'll just have to get a clearer image in your mind, T-Bone, and stay reeeeaaaallly focused on it.

This one just blows me away!

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Everything in life is one big Way reference for you isn't it? No, I don't think raising a child is anything like witnessing and undershepherding. According to the W&U syllabus, the stated purpose of witnessing and undershepherding is to sign people up for the PFAL class. Do you see any discrepancy here? edit: Sorry for the derail Twinky. Now we can get back to CFFM (or wander over to the soapbox thread.)

Maybe I didn't love you quite as often as I should have.