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That would certainly fit with Wierwille's teaching of John 1:1 in PFAL. And, since we know that the source for much of what VPW taught in PFAL was BG Leonard, it only makes sense to deduce that Leonard's beliefs were along these lines, also.

Well, at least they didn't call you "Hockey Puck".

I think I read somewhere that, in the picture language of some Native American peoples, the broken arrow symbolized a call for peace.

I stand corrected. The irony is still there, however, because he wasn't willing to risk letting spontaneity take its course by remaking the class . edit: And, in retrospect, I think he just made up this silly story,like he did so many others, to toot his own horn. "Look at me, I'm sooooo spiritual, I can just reach up in Daddy's cookie jar and he tells me exactly what I need to teach." (cough)

Jackie Coogan was my Uncle Fester in the Absurd.

I have a hard time trying to read the Bible. I see some particular scripture and think about how I listened to some teacher or another get all excited about what the verse or word REALLY meant. Then I think about how that whole particular teaching was actually based on flawed research and didn't reflect the message they were trying to convey at all. Like finding out there is no Easter Bunny. Can you really make yourself believe in him again?

alfakat, Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't see anybody trying to paint ALL of them with the same paint brush. When you look at a high school year book, you have memories of the "group", but, don't you, also, consider how they've all grown in different, individual directions? Isn't that part of the attraction of face-book for many people?

VP and Howard

Reminds me of the old codger who said, "I still chase women----I just wish I could remember why."

Here's some irony. In PLAF (The Wonder Class), Wierwille talked about how he would prepare part of his Sunday sermon and then put it in his desk drawer until he worked on it again. Then, come Sunday morning, the sermon fell flat because the devil had looked at his teaching throughout the week and turned the congregation against it by Sunday morning. This was his argument for the value of spontaneity. Yet, he continually refused to re-film "the class", itself, because, he said, it couldn't be recreated. I guess he really didn't believe that silly illustration himself, now, did he?.

There was actually an aborted attempt to create a way corps prior to this. They are sometimes referred to as the "Zero Corps".

http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=1 http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=2 http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=3 http://www.atlbible.org/howardallen.htm

"Same old same old" that any other good little wayfer would have. It got damaged in a wet basement incident about fifteen years ago and I pitched it. Can't say that I've really felt any compulsion to ever replace it.

My original line of thinking wasn't really questioning whether or not there are Biblical parallels. There obviously are. My question was more about the "why?". "Why" do we feel, in make making comparisons, that the comparisons need to be Biblical at all?

In this dirty old part of the city, where the sun refuse to shine......

Twinky In order to understand the literal meaning according to colloquial usage, you need to juxtapose the ch and f and add a pesky little comma in the appropriate position to suggest that someone is being addressed. (It's especially topical when viewed in light of the current "Sheen Shenanigans".)

Shudder! The greatest cargoes in life come over==================

And there is an analogy (or is it simile or maybe hypercacastasis?) that you can see here if you've been saying your Lo Shanta's faithfully, too. The prison bars represent the great truths, hidden in that wonderful collateral, "Release From Your Prisons". Yes, that's it. You, too, can have something completely different if you will focus clearly on an image of a fish. ('cause fish are Biblical, you see.)

Do you see the spiritual reference in this? See, God is using the parable of the oafs and fishes to teach us great truths.

One of my favorite lines from PFAL: "Even if you get to heaven and find out it's not there, I will have had one kick azz time riding my motor scooters." ........................................ Oops! Sorry John. We seem to have derailed "your" thread. You've taught us well.

And who can forget this old T.V.ad for PFAL? "I'm not a real doctor but I play one at Rock of Ages."

I can't begin to even tell you all the great spiritual truths God taught me while I was marking all my dechomai's and lambano's. (Think how especially wonderful that is, when you consider that the D&L concept has been shown to be based on faulty "research".) And all those hours spent putting my big HS's and little hs's in my Zondervan Bible with the specially made leather cover, complete with the holy spirit dove, descending at the ministry approved angle, is time I'll always treasure, as I reflect on the highlights of my precious memories.

I never noticed until just now that it says "with", not "by". Sheesh. That could have simplified those old plagiarism threads a bit, ya know?