waysider

I find it hard to believe he didn't realize he was lying when he plagiarized and claimed the works he put his name on were his own. Did he really not realize some of those writings were word-for-word replications of other authors?

quote: Hi, I'm Joe Beats. Hey, what chance does a returning, deceased war veteran have for that good paying job, more sugar and the free mule you've been dreaming of? Well, think it over.....then take off your shoes. Now you can see how increased spending opportunities mean harder work for everyone.

I mean, they probably looked up and said stuff like, "Wow that's bright!" and stuff like that but, let's face it---they were naked as a jaybird.----know what I mean?

10-4, Eleanor.

How do we know Adam and Eve gave any special thought to the meaning of the constellations?

quote: can i quote you [or somebody] on that? make sure you make it clear that it's a quote: end quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlagYOq8eIs

quote:Well, maybe it's a debul spurt thing. Dang spurrrts. Yeah quote: Maybe. Page 21 end quote:

quote: Maybe it's just me. When I see that jumbled mess, where you can't tell where one person's quote ends and the next person's quote begins, I lose my desire to consider the contents seriously. quote: If someone really expected to be taken seriously, they would make an effort to make their posts more readable. Well, maybe it's a debul spurt thing.

I don't think John is a troll. I think he simply hasn't realized yet these tired old tactics no longer fly in this venue, despite his having 11 years of posting experience to serve as a primer.

John This is a complete straw man argument. And, I don't believe it's accidental. You purposely changed my point. (That point being that VPW said he "would never condemn anyone again".) You misrepresented my position to make it appear that I was accusing you of believing what VPW said was God breathed. Why did you do that? I'll tell you why. You changed my position because you could not realistically deny that VPW made that statement in the PFAL book, so you invented a position you knew you could effectively defend. I listed a link that clearly demonstates Wierwille did not honor that promise. Read the link and then address the issue head on. "And remember, if you can't learn to get along with the other kids, you may discover they no longer want to play with you.".....My kindergarten teacher told me that a long time ago. edit: Have you figured out a way to show where your quotes start and end yet?

"You see, class, you've got to stand on that Word, even if know one believes it..... because......When it comes to the Word, you have no friends."......etc., etc., etc. How many thousands of times, in how many different ways, was this same basic message hammered into our heads? Defend the doctrine (as defined by Wierwille) and forsake your individuality for the survival of the group. It's no wonder we still see people bulldozing their way around facebook and other sites, parroting PFAL phrases and trying to whip folks back into submission.

On page 18 of PFAL, VP says, " I promised the Father that if He would forgive me, as long as I lived I would never preach a negative sermon, I would never condemn anybody." I guess that promise must have slipped his mind while he was blaming John N. and the Way Corps for the death of Gary Dunhoff. Click HERE

And, by golly, he kept his word and never again preached a negative sermon.

Well, if their are and the information in the advanced class was accurate, Wierwille, himself, had a big old boat load of them. Let's see..... According to pages 20 and 21, he would had to have had a spirit of leviathan (he was an alcoholic), sensual spirit (he was a sex addict), sadistic spirit (he was a sexual maniac, who drugged young women), lying spirit (he lied about so many things, the list is too long to post here), spirit of obsession ( he frequently went into fits of screaming and could not control his temper), spirit of oppression (he frequently displayed his delusions of persecution) and last but not least----drum roll please----spirit of cancer----------You did know he died from cancer, didn't you? Click HERE and HERE

Dude----Could you at least use the color option (or something) to show where your own quotes begin and end? I'm just sayin'

What happens to people who can't read?

Not just going off topic. Going off topic intentionally to promote a personal agenda. I'm as guilty as anyone of going off topic. Usually it's when we/I get sidetracked by something humorous. But there is no hidden agenda in that. I went off topic on Skyrider's most recent thread. Skyrider politely put it back on track and that was that. Going off topic to divert attention away from the terrible things that happened in The Way or to lay guilt on the victims or to promote PFAL or exalt VPW, that's the kind of derailment that really has no place in these discussions. I'm not saying those topics are off the table for discussion. I am saying, however, they shouldn't be used as a ploy to derail genuine discussion. IMO.

Nah. Kicking in the door wasn't his style. He liked to slip in, unnoticed, while the menfolk were away at work.

I think he was more of a backdoor man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAc62476f4

You can tell by the staircase that this must be a place of "higher" learning.

I had no desire to be "right", per se. I just think it's cool to look at the roots of some of these old tunes. One of my personal favorite "covers" is by The Damnation of Adam Blessing. The lead guitar and drummer are old school mates of mine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_SYekusVw

Teaching the operation of critical thinking skills is one of the primary objectives of higher education. Perhaps that's why some people, when they feel threatened with exposure, will resort to devaluing the importance of higher education.

-----Joni MitchellSeagulls circle endlessly I sing in silent harmony We shall be free