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John, rather than make this some sort of personal feud, I simply extend to you the challenge of demonstrating how your post is relevant to the "law of believing" that was taught in PFAL. That is, after all, the subject being discussed here.

Here's one for MStar1.....Happy Birthday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7zSY5O6FU

None of this has the least bit of anything to do with the "law of believing", as taught in PFAL.

Thanks. I haven't heard that one in decades. Excellent tune. Here's another amazing talent from the same era.

That song really sums up the law of believing...in a paraphrased way, of course. ................................................ Writer: Leigh Harline; Lyrics: Ned Washington When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are Anything your heart desires will come to you If your heart is in your dreams, no request is too extreme When you wish upon a star as dreamers do (Fate is kind, she brings to those who love The sweet fulfillment of their secret longing) Like a bolt out of the blue, fate steps in and sees you thru When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true

Maybe he just watched Pinocchio one too many times. My link

Well, those are the ones you really, REALLY want to take out of circulation. Know what I mean?

I googled it. I remember it quite well. (but not well enough, apparently) Good tune!

You need to call a spade a spade. Clearly, VPW, JL, and many others were teaching false doctrine, including you and I. You know that old guy, on the 5 O'clock news that got swindled out of his life savings? He didn't really lose his money....just the paper it was printed on.... <_<

Just a few more weary days and then..... y.

Is it a Fleetwood Mac tune?

Am I now surprised to discover that Wierwille coincidentally taught a relatively obscure figure of speech that seems to have been "researched" long ago by E.W. Bullinger? uuuhhhh.....no.

The Fig Tree Incident Wierwille taught there is a special kind of "believing", the Manifestation of Believing, that involves "believing" for something that's already been revealed to you via the revelation manifestations...predicting the inevitable... (see post #19 for definition.) He used the fig tree incident as an example. He went on to say it applied to every miraculous event mentioned in the O.T, as well....the walls of Jericho, the parting of The Red Sea, etc.... Men of God could "believe" for them because the outcome had already been revealed to them....That never made sense to me, even as I sat there hearing it for the first time, in the Advanced Class, all those years ago. It's like saying you are believing someone is going to ring your doorbell, as you watch them approach your front door. Where is there any "believing" in that? That makes it more like some kind of mental/verbal trickery, a dishonesty of sorts. And, to make it even more perplexing, the last part of the definition says, "It also imparts believing in others." Wierwille went on to explain that the kind of believing it imparts is the "law of believing" variety. But, wait a minute! We've just witnessed JL debunking that sort of "believing". So, at least that much of the definition, by virtue of sheer logic, must be erroneous. (If JL is correct in stating that "It's a lie. It's nonsense.") Of course, anyone who has spent any time on the front page of The GreaseSpot Cafe could have told you that it's nonsense long ago. It makes you wonder what's coming next. Is JL going to reveal to us all that thoroughly and throughly mean exactly the same thing? Will he reveal that apistia and apeitheia were misrepresented in the PFAL class and don't carry the connotations we were led to accept? I'm with you, Jerry. Unless he is willing to admit he taught this stuff himself, explain why he changed his mind and offer an apology regarding the matter, I don't see why anyone would seriously give him the time of day. Of course, if he were to do so, it would cast a shadow of incredulity on anything and everything else he has taught for so many years.

They were already doing this stuff ---at Carnegie Hall---in 1971! As much as I really did like some of the very early Way music, I don't think we were breaking any new ground. edit: I probably should have put this on the Way Musicians thread but so it goes.

Take your Sing Along The Way books and turn to Look In The Sky.

"Ignore buttons" and "reporting" have never been my style. I have no plans of changing that any time soon.

I'm ok if you're ok. As long as it really is "over now".....

This is baiting. It's not the least bit relevant to the topic at hand. It's only purpose is to inflame and provoke controversy. Take it somewhere else if you really must discuss it.

Maybe you and/or John could start a thread in the doctrinal forum and explore this a bit more closely. Just a thought.

R.I.P.,Cornell Dupree.

In contrast, here is what JAL is NOW teaching. (2:54-4:51) "One of the most amazing things about this is it's the same old lie that the devil has told for centuries. He just keeps repackaging it. And, the lie is that people can be like God in the sense that we can initiate things from within our minds. And, the thoughts we have within our little craniums somehow go forward into the universe. They go out of our craniums, into the universe and they bring us red sports cars or they bring bad things to those we don't like or one thing or another. And, it is a total lie and it's total nonsense. The sad thing is when it infiltrates the church, which it has to way too large a degree. In essence, what this law of attraction says is that whatever you get is because of something you thought SNIP Sometimes it's called the law of believing.But, it's not true." .......................... It was bad enough when people (on previous threads) were comparing VPW to a modern day David. And, now, here you are comparing JAL to a modern day Paul. There is nothing Biblical about VPW or JAL. It's a farce to think they (were/are) doing something of Biblical proportions.

John, did you even listen to the video clip I posted? JL is teaching that what Wierwille taught is dead wrong. Wierwille said you could change things just by thinking about them. It's plastered all over the first session of PFAL. Have you forgotten what he said killed the little boy in his example of how fear produces negative results? He said it was fear in the heart of the mother. In other words, she was able to cause a physical change in the material world by virtue of her thoughts Here's something along those lines from page 53 of "The Orange book: "Unbelief is believing; it is negative believing. On the negative side is doubt and on the positive side is confidence. confidence versus doubt; trust versus worry; faith versus fear. Doubt worry and fear are negative believing. Confidence, trust and faith are positive believing. These laws work with precision not only in the Word of God but in our own lives." ................................................. JAL taught this very same doctrine, as if it were the gospel truth, thousands and thousands of times over a period of decades.