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You don't have to be an expert on dogs to recognize one when you see it.

Is this anything like being "master of your domain"?

You may be right, Ham. We know for a fact that VP had "enforcers". ("A thug who uses physical force or the threat of physical force to coerce others".....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcer) Who knows what happened to people that weren't compliant?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WPDsGxtZZs Something on another thread got me thinking about this one.

No, George. I think the point is that everyone is vulnerable on one level or another.

And lest we should forget.....How many here were subjected to that insane "class" called Christian Family and Sex? I was in one of the very first presentations of this piece of crap. I can't believe I actually stayed in The Way after that. Shame on me.

One poster who was present became nauseated, had to leave and went to the ladies room. (It was an all-women meeting) Another poster who was present, followed her to make sure she was alright. They both still post here.

Yes, that would make it second hand to me. There are, however, posters (plural) here who were present and have given their first hand testimony on GSC. I also heard it from someone who was present but does not post here. In fact, that recounting of the incident happened many years before GSC existed. And, no, it wasn't presented in the context of penitence. Rather, he used the incident to describe how he had done something "beneficial" for his daughter by instructing her in what to expect from the touch of a male hand. I'm being intentionally vague in my description. (ie: He used it to REDEFINE boundaries.)

side note: For any of you with Sirius XM. Both Dylan and Petty take on D.J. duties to host their own shows on Deep Tracks/Channel 27. Peter Frampton has a show , as well, but, of course, he was never a TW.

Personally, I liked the Traveling W.'s. It appealed to me that they didn't take themselves very seriously. Just a group of guys having some fun doing what they enjoyed. It's unfortunate their body of work was abbreviated so suddenly by fate's fickle nature.

My personal feeling is that Wierwille was probably psychopathic. As such, he was able to recognize, on a cognitive level, that his behavior was unacceptable, but emotionally unable to feel any remorse or empathy. I think it was Sunesis who once posted about an incident she witnessed where Wierewille feigned instantaneous outrage over something that had happened and then turned right around and glibly confided in her that he was putting on an act. I think he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just didn't care. IMO

Take all the Bible comparisons out and look at it from a purely secular viewpoint. It becomes more obvious. The man was a chronic sexual predator, he had no remorse for his actions and he trained/encouraged his proteges to adapt a mindset and life style that mimicked his own. Maybe you were one of them. Were you, John? Edit: "God Almighty doesn't have a problem with men simply having a sex drive and being opportunistic with it." Since you seem to be enamored of Biblical comparisons,can you point me in the direction of something in the scriptures that confirms this?

Now you move your lips. You move your snout Oink Oink Oink Snort Snort Snort That's it! That's it! You're speaking the wonderful works of Mud!

VP was a schweinhund. Heh!

Johnny Yams said: The discussion was started by someone who thinks VP is worse than the Penn state guy, a pedophile (alleged). I dispute that. Took me a while but I'm chuckling now. Like competing to see whose pig is the filthiest

John, redefining the intended meaning of "moved boundaries", as it applies to this thread, does nothing to add to the discussion. I think it is very clear to everyone who has been posting on this thread what is meant by the expression. It's not about the Bible, it's not about movies or books or listening to VP expound his mangled version of scripture, or your personal experience with glossolalia in session #12. It's about the chronic behavioral patterns of sexual predators. Maybe you, yourself, are having trouble understanding what it means to "move boundaries" because it hits too close to home. Which side of the moved boundaries were you on? Were you the one who moved someone's boundaries or did someone else move your boundaries? Skip the Sunday School lessons, please. I think most of us are familiar with those scriptures.

In some strange way, it all reminds me of a movie, as well. Ya see, there was a young lady who lived in Kansas with her little dog, Toto......

For some of our newer posters, may I point out that Johniam is the same poster who, a few years ago, recommended smacking women around if they get too annoying. "Swat them like a pesty mosquito" or something of that nature is what he said.