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I'm not sure if I should call this dumb or ironic. When I was in FellowLaborers (a 2 year, in-residence program) in the mid 1970s, sex was forbidden, except for the married couples, with their own spouses. Violation of this rule would get you the boot, instantly, if you were discovered. Also on the forbidden list was pornography, drugs and alcohol. And, they randomly rifled through your belongings to make sure you were on the up and up. Now, all these years later, it is glowingly obvious that this very sort of activity was taking place, simultaneously, only 2 hrs. away at The Way Int. HQ. ....And some people want to talk about double standards?

Nope...No idea.

Yes, that's plain wrong.... You should have been believing for your kid not to poop.

You don't have to be an expert on dogs to recognize one when you see it.

Is this anything like being "master of your domain"?

You may be right, Ham. We know for a fact that VP had "enforcers". ("A thug who uses physical force or the threat of physical force to coerce others".....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcer) Who knows what happened to people that weren't compliant?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WPDsGxtZZs Something on another thread got me thinking about this one.

No, George. I think the point is that everyone is vulnerable on one level or another.

And lest we should forget.....How many here were subjected to that insane "class" called Christian Family and Sex? I was in one of the very first presentations of this piece of crap. I can't believe I actually stayed in The Way after that. Shame on me.

One poster who was present became nauseated, had to leave and went to the ladies room. (It was an all-women meeting) Another poster who was present, followed her to make sure she was alright. They both still post here.

Yes, that would make it second hand to me. There are, however, posters (plural) here who were present and have given their first hand testimony on GSC. I also heard it from someone who was present but does not post here. In fact, that recounting of the incident happened many years before GSC existed. And, no, it wasn't presented in the context of penitence. Rather, he used the incident to describe how he had done something "beneficial" for his daughter by instructing her in what to expect from the touch of a male hand. I'm being intentionally vague in my description. (ie: He used it to REDEFINE boundaries.)

side note: For any of you with Sirius XM. Both Dylan and Petty take on D.J. duties to host their own shows on Deep Tracks/Channel 27. Peter Frampton has a show , as well, but, of course, he was never a TW.

Personally, I liked the Traveling W.'s. It appealed to me that they didn't take themselves very seriously. Just a group of guys having some fun doing what they enjoyed. It's unfortunate their body of work was abbreviated so suddenly by fate's fickle nature.

My personal feeling is that Wierwille was probably psychopathic. As such, he was able to recognize, on a cognitive level, that his behavior was unacceptable, but emotionally unable to feel any remorse or empathy. I think it was Sunesis who once posted about an incident she witnessed where Wierewille feigned instantaneous outrage over something that had happened and then turned right around and glibly confided in her that he was putting on an act. I think he knew what he was doing was wrong. He just didn't care. IMO

Take all the Bible comparisons out and look at it from a purely secular viewpoint. It becomes more obvious. The man was a chronic sexual predator, he had no remorse for his actions and he trained/encouraged his proteges to adapt a mindset and life style that mimicked his own. Maybe you were one of them. Were you, John? Edit: "God Almighty doesn't have a problem with men simply having a sex drive and being opportunistic with it." Since you seem to be enamored of Biblical comparisons,can you point me in the direction of something in the scriptures that confirms this?

Now you move your lips. You move your snout Oink Oink Oink Snort Snort Snort That's it! That's it! You're speaking the wonderful works of Mud!

VP was a schweinhund. Heh!

Johnny Yams said: The discussion was started by someone who thinks VP is worse than the Penn state guy, a pedophile (alleged). I dispute that. Took me a while but I'm chuckling now. Like competing to see whose pig is the filthiest