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Always good to see you, Oak. You really need to get yourself a hobby, though, to occupy some of that free time.

When I left for good, I felt tremendously guilty for having forsaken "the one true household". After finding GSC and finally coming to an understanding of what really took place, I felt kind of foolish for ever feeling guilty. (But, it was a good kind of foolish.) For goodness sakes, it was just a a 2 bit cult. Nothing "special" about it at all. There's no reason to ever feel guilty about walking away from a cult. If anything, maybe people who DON'T walk away should feel guilty for enabling the furtherance of the sham.

How would they know who you are? I mean, they always said there were no membership lists.

Here's a chilling thought... Factor out the people who are only there because they are REQUIRED to be and what's left?

I always suspected it was all in la familia.

Abusing one's authority (teacher, minister, therapist, etc.) to persuade someone to engage in sexually activity is rape...plain and simple. Wierwille had a serial history of engaging in this type of behavior. Ergo, he was a serial rapist by definition. People who choose to defend his actions usually aren't satisfied to simply excuse his behavior, they typically engage in a discourse that blames the victims, instead. I believe we have come to a point in time, as demonstrated by Shiftthis's comment, that we acknowledge Wierwille did these things. It's no longer a question of WHETHER Wierwille acted as he did but, WHY people continue to blame the victims in order to rationalize VPW's actions. This, perhaps, is the crucial question that needs to be answered by the various off-shoot leaders and proponents. Until they (off-shoots) can tackle that issue head-on, I really couldn't care less about their latest "research discovery" or so-called classes. For anyone who genuinely desires to more fully understand this process, I highly recommend Losing The Way.

This is the very essence of what GreaseSpot exposes. Nicely done!

.....and "the initiation into the inner sanctum" On a scale of 1-10, how lame was that?

It makes me both sad and angry at the same time.

The Advanced Class....don't get me started! You do everything you're supposed to do...home studies, all the classes, canvass for free class locations, string chairs, make the coffee, run twigs, ABS and whatever else. Then, you sit there in the BRC, with 250 other people and sink into a deep state of depression as you realize that (seemingly) you're the only one not "getting it".

Oh, my. He must have been torn with inner conflict as he sat through session 8, the session on sonship rights (righteousness included). Someone of lesser spiritual understanding might construe this to be a contradiction in Way Theology.

Didn't the Vicenheimer teach, in PFAL, that there are no degrees of sin? Oh, hold on a sec., this is "evil", not "sin". What was I thinking? I almost thought he had forgotten The Holy Word of Vic.

"....the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" The Treaty of Tripoli (1796) Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed, and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof. ...................................................................... Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification. Twenty-three of the thirty-two sitting Senators were present for the June 7 vote which unanimously approved the ratification recommendation. SOURCE

Wouldn't you need masses of people to have mass weddings? I'm just askin'.

There comes a point when hope turns into delusion. The Way reached that point long, long ago.

Yes, I recall one of those events....1973, perhaps? Wierwille stood on stage, behind the podium, blathering into the microphone the whole time, while everyone else was "in the trenches", so to speak. Looking back, it reminds me of session 12 of PLAF (The Wonder Class).

Waiting for the next leader......they might as well be Waiting For Godot.

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It looks more noble than selling pet rocks.

BTW....For those who may not be familiar with the term High German, it simply refers to the geographic areas where it is commonly spoken. (high elevations) It's not superior to Low German, it's just different.

PFAL...Pg. 30 ...."He said his master was so-and-so, a member of Parliament in New Delhi, who was also riding on the train. The member of Parliament then came to our compartment to tell Mrs. Wierwille and me that what he had seen in Jubbulpore was the most tremendous Christian event he had ever witnessed...." .................................................. He had supposedly just experienced a life altering event but, he doesn't remember this man's name and has to refer to him as "so-and-so/the member of Parliament"??

I'm going by memory but, my recollection is that he said he heard someone else speak in High German and recognized it. edit: Gee, imagine someone from western Ohio speaking in High German. What are the chances of that? <_<

Pg. 197 "...a piece of mail came regarding a Full Gospel Rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Oh, all the great names were going to be there, including a would-be-rising star in Pentecostalism - Oral Roberts." ............. .............. "I met someone, told him my need, and he got all excited. He said he'd introduce me to some great men. They'd lay hands on me and lead me into tongues." "So before the meeting they got together, nine great men, in one room. They started praying, then three or four laid hands on me, and finally one of them said, 'Speak another language.' So I spoke Greek. I quoted the first chapter of John. Well, they started jumping up and down. They thought I had received and told me to speak in another language." "So I did. I spoke in Hebrew - quoted from Genesis, and they got all excited, congratulating themselves about it." "But in my heart, I knew I wasn't speaking in tongues...." ...................................................... ...................................................... "So I spoke in Greek. I quoted the first chapter of John" Can you imagine Wierwille ever knowing enough Greek to quote the first chapter of John?...... extemporaneously??

Hey, O.E. You're right, I'm not in your shoes. I think I may have gotten mine at the same store, though.

"I'll show those durn heathens, by golly!"