waysider

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVRoFqBxbE disclaimer: I'm not suggesting this,literally.

That wouldn't take a village, it would take a stream roller.

He has an an account here. You could send him a P.M. (I don't remember his handle.)

That's the story of my first marriage, in a nutshell.

Last I heard, The Way was sitting on about 56 million dollars in assets. (probably somewhat less, given the current state of the economy) They're supposed to be a charitable organization, according to their 501 status. What are they waiting for??

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It's rather telling (in a pathetic way) that Wierwille knew more about work animals than he knew about human beings.

.....Beware of P.T. Barnum impersonators and Harold Hill wannabe's.

I don't think anyone is really disputing the need to cover business expenses. What has come into question is the motivation involved. Let me state it another way. When I see all these offshoots springing up and offering new material, I don't see someone saying, "I need to charge for my classes". What I see is someone saying, "I need to have classes I can charge for".

It could never happen.....'cause they'd get rebellation...... Cookies would fall out of the great cookie jar in the sky.....There would be so many cookies, the sky would turn back and cover the gas pumps.

Geeze! If you really want to "learn" something about T.I.P., just use the danged search engine on GSC. And, if you choose to subscribe, we'd even entertain/discuss any questions you might have.

On-line excellor sessions!! HERE

The whole premise of Power For Abundant Living is that it supposedly contains information that will make you a better Christian. I don't think you have to look too far beyond the title, itself, to understand that concept. Not entirely a bad concept. But, it didn't stop there. No, it was made clear that one could not expect to see these results as an individual, without becoming an active member of the group.....stay within the household...don't fellowship with unbelievers, etc. And, what was the primary focus of the group's activity? Simple, bring people into the PFAL class and make sure they continue on a class-centric path. If you need proof, please refer to page 2 of Witnessing and Undershepherding. "The basic reason we witness is to help people into the classes on Power For Abundant Living..." (All of which comes with a price tag.)

Twinky You're trying to apply logical thinking to something that defies logic. There is no way anyone can be sure how the scenario might have played out. One thing I know, though, is that when someone points a gun at you, you have to assume it is loaded and there is a possibility they will use it.

The whole household thing was about being "better" than the unwashed masses of mainstream Christianity. The corps was about being the "best" of the household. edit: I'm not sure how patterning one's life after misinformation in an error riddled class can improve the quality of one's personal, Christian walk. Maybe someone could enlighten me with specific examples of how this is possible.

".....bum-rushed off twi property in the middle of the night by a security guard with a 9mm firearm". Oh, so THAT'S what they meant by "all 9 all the time".

Buzz-words....yeah...I see people talking on face book and find myself wondering if they would actually be able to communicate without all the "way speak", or have a simple conversation that doesn't have PFAL related material at its center.

He probably just needs to speak in tongues a little more and get a clearer focus on the situation.

I love the smell of rhetoric in the morning.

Hmmmm.... Did Reynolds take the advanced class? Did he confront Wierwille or report him to authorities?

Grad school??? His aforementioned rambling seems to be more on the level of a high school sophomore. (Am I being too kind?) edit ...spelling

Why on earth does anyone still believe these nut-cases in New Knockwurst have the slightest clue about real life?

Devil spirits!! Yeah, if only they'd had the greatest class the world has ever known since rocks were invented, they would have exercised the revelation manifestations and averted the whole scenario. "I cannot imagine that someone displaying this behavior around believers and true friends would have gone unconfronted. Not to mention being delivered as he sat in a teaching or sharing of God's Word by someone being energized by God's spirit." Hmmm.... I guess he's forgotten that 1,000's of piffle grads sat through the advanced class, listening to the ramblings of a man who, by his own definition, must have been RIDDLED with those pesky, little rascals. Do I really need to cite the advanced class silly-bus on this? (pages 20 & 21, if you're interested.) So, if this stuff is real, how come nobody got "revelation" about Wierdwilly? .............................................. I love this part, too: "He dropped out of medical school a month ago. Hello! These things telegraph that something very unusual and probably important, not to mention, devilish, is going on to anyone who cares about this man." Yep, any time someone drops out of medical school, it's an obvious sign something spiritual is going on..... Hello! Med school is a tough row to hoe...boogie man or no boogie man. ................................................ "I listen to Bill O'Riley on Fox regularly." Oh, OK, now I think I see the problem.

Might make nice accessories for a Halloween costume.