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Personally, i'm not opposed to links/videos, as long as they're used to augment the conversation, not substitute for it. Oh, what the hell. I'll make an exception for THIS one....

People who are still in that corrupt organization, defending it, posting about it on Facebook, actively "witnessing" about its greatness are willfully ignorant of the truth of how bad and evil TWI is. That's not ignorance, it's denial and self delusion.

See, here's the thing, Teach. Most people, myself included, just aren't interested in investing 51 minutes in a clip they know nothing about. It would be like a toothpaste commercial that just says "Buy our toothpaste. It's good."....Not enough information...know what I mean?

That was a really nice post, newlife, very insightful. Thanks.

Hey Teach, what's your take on THIS one?

Poems, songs, plays, movies, novels can, if written skillfully, take on a depth of meaning and nuance that will vary with time, place, circumstances and background of the observer. Someone else may look at this movie and take away a message about morals or about life in a bygone era or the need to hold onto hope or a multitude of other things. It's really a timeless movie because the message is both clear and obscured at the same time. Some, too, may simply enjoy the theatric qualities of it. There's no right or wrong with these things.

I'll pass.

Didn't Gary Allen (well known conspiracy theorist/author of None Dare Call It Conspiracy) cover most of this ground in his popular 1970's books?

Three or four of his "kids" are in his band so that should help matters.

"what is real, now" ..........................

Why am I reminded of those commercials where the guy says, "But wait, there's more!"?

Cool!

I heard all this stuff 40 years ago, in FellowLaborers. Wierwille was supposedly getting information on impending doom via the revelation God was bestowing upon him. It turns out, The guy was a conman who was secretly getting his information from a white- supremacist, anti-Semitic, anti-Black propaganda group called Liberty Lobby. The jerk had less "spiritual insight" than your average Pet Rock.

I liked the song.

It's ironic. While I was in, I thought I was seeing everything so clearly but, reality was obscured.

Two hours and eighteen minutes. I'll pass.

You got that right, sister! :P

Something else to consider: Borders change constantly. Just in our lifetimes, think how many countries have changed their geographic boundaries. The town where my grandfather was born still exists but, it's now part of a country other than the one in which he was born.

Problems with cross language translations: HERE

Sweet!

You said you didn't see how it could be harmful. I gave an example. Now, bear in mind, I didn't say that it's always harmful. This example, however, shows how this practice can be misused and generate harm. This whole thread wouldn't even be necessary if Wierwille hadn't made such a big deal out of inventing meanings for dechomai and lambano to suit his own agenda. Lambano..Laballo...Ballo...Throw....Throw the whole thing out.

"I don't really see a way in which this would be a harmful recommendation." Really? How about dechomai/lambano? (Pertains directly to the subject of the thread.)

"What weather hits the US usually arrives in Europe about 2 weeks later. Not usually the same strength, but generally much wetter after the long journey over the intervening ocean." Interesting. I never realized that before. Glad everyone is okay.

Sometimes you hear what you want to hear, despite what's being said. At 21 years old and struggling financially, I was primed to accept what Wierwille was hawking, even though, in retrospect, I can clearly see how he took John 10:10 out of context, twisted it around and made it say what he wanted it to say. Then, he went to great lengths to support his premise with his own convoluted interpretation of scripture. I'd like to say it would be a lot harder to fool me now but, who really knows?

From that standpoint, there are two questions that would need to be answered. 1.) Are the people currently inhabiting the region descendants of the people referenced in the Bible? (There have been DNA studies that address this question.) 2.) Does the current geography coincide with historical records? ( I don't know where to begin with this question.)