waysider

One time, I was at the shopping mall and believing for a parking spot on the outer edges of the lot. As I approached the edge of the lot, I began speaking in tongues "like a house afire". BOOM! Just like that, there were bunches and bunches of empty spots at the very edge of the lot. Now, THAT'S what I call abundance...and all because I believed and spoke in tongues.

With all the high tech devices and accompanying jargon being used today, I wonder what S.O.W.E.R.S say when they want to have a believers meeting. Probably something like "OMG! Let's hook up and have a BM!"

In my opinion, the real issue here is having a willingness to consider things you never dared to before. Break free of session #7. Explore life's mysteries and possibilities. Question doctrines. Question practices. Insist on proof when the situation calls for it. Accept change. Go beyond what you've been taught.

Truth be told....None of the manifestation "definitions" are in the scriptures. Wierwille plagiarized those, word for word, from a source that escapes my memory at the moment.

Geeze, what a convenient cop-out that is. Don't want to consider something in Way Theology might be flawed?....Just say it's (consideration) from the devil.

Sometimes it's a fine line because part of what happened to us is a result of doctrine promoted by The Way. I guess my answer would be that some things could fit into either About The Way or Doctrinal equally well.

Reminds me of something else Roderick (You know he wasn't really a Count, don't you?) Fitter said in the Christians Must Have Sex class.... "You'll just have to trust me on this."

Ever heard the expression "You can take that to the bank."? If I were you, I wouldn't take too many of those "real" bills to the bank. Ya know what I mean, Vern?

Real? They're just little green pieces of paper with pictures of dead presidents!

I printed some phony two dollar bills once. I just replaced some of the usual verbiage with I John, chapter1, in Greek. Fooled everybody.

O.K. Take a 4X handheld magnifying glass. Now, look very closely at the words "In Vic we trust.".......................

You know he wasn't a real Count, don't you? :P

You mean like trying to tell a fake three dollar bill from a real one?

I don't think we would have been nearly as successful if we hadn't believed the lie ourselves. And, it's a snowball effect. They, in turn, believed it to be real and were thus able to attain a level of success, as well.......etc.

I'm not so sure, Raf, Wierwille said the Christ in us was like a "spiritual" baby. Speaking in tongues was like feeding it spiritual mashed potatoes .....sooooo.... we just had to speak in tongues a lot to make it grow big and strong. Lo shanta goo goo gah gah *burp*

Badges Proof? We don't need no stinking badges proof.

If it's a "language" of angels, why doesn't it have syntax and follow the conventions of "language" that we've come to expect?

"You move your tongue, you move your lips, you make the sounds, you put your left foot in, you put your left foot out...." At what point does this cease to be a conscious effort on the part of the speaker??

correction: In post #22, I said SIT decreases your sense of self. In actuality, the studies show it INCREASES your sense of self in relation to the world. Maybe that explains why we thought we were on some sort of mission to save the world/stand in the gap and all that sort of thing.

"this in your bible none of it is holy" I think I see your point.

Maybe. But, if it's a "language", shouldn't it have , at least, an identifiable structure? Buildings have identifiable structure....wood, bricks, screws, windows, shingles and so on, organized in a logical fashion. But,you can't just toss all those things in a big old pile and call it a house.

Not only does it not produce a verifiable language, it lacks the syntax and semantics (linguistic structure) that is found in genuine languages. I think that is really a crucial point to consider. ......................................... Linguistics The syllables that make up instances of glossolalia typically appear to be unpatterned reorganizations of phonemes from the primary language of the person uttering the syllables; thus, the glossolalia of people from Russia, the United Kingdom, and Brazil all sound quite different from each other, but vaguely resemble the Russian, English, and Portuguese languages, respectively. Many linguists generally regard most glossolalia as lacking any identifiable semantics, syntax, or morphology. SOURCE

Steve HERE is another article that lists an abundance of citations. This article strongly suggests that speaking in tongues is a learned behavior and, as such, is greatly influenced by the community and culture in which it exists. There is a section in the article that describes an incident in which a group of people were led into tongues. It bears a striking resemblance to session #12 of PFAL.

"It would help me if you could give me some specific references to the studies so I can consider their impact on my thesis." Here ya go, Steve. This is the most often cited study but, there are many other academic pieces on the subject, as well. HERE

Here's a (rhetorical) thought. If SIT/TIP/Prophesy is as important as we've been led to believe, why is there so little information about it in the scriptures?