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The thing that bothers me is this: If "speaking in tongues is proof in the senses realm of the internal presence...."....well, you know... How's come it's also been practiced by so many Non-Christian people for thousands of years, even before the "internal presence" and all that stuff was known about? It seems like there ought to be some sort of clue in there that addresses the subject at hand.

Examined from a cultural point of view, glossolalia is another 'language' in the Pentecostalists' linguistic repertoire Chock Two things strike me about this sentence. 1.) He qualifies it. (...from a cultural point of view) 2.) He puts quotes around the word. (...glossolalia is another 'language') This second devise is one I personally use frequently when the word or expression doesn't literally fit the typical definition and/or has a proprietary meaning. For example, if I were talking about my FellowLaborer experience, I might say something like...."Every morning at 5:30, we 'ran to the tree and back'." That expression has a nuanced meaning to anyone who was in the program.

I think I might have been a pet rock in a previous existence. Either that or a lawn mower.

Steve Is this enough to get you started? Ecstatic language was a common form of worship in pagan temples.i It was well established in Ancient Byblos (1100 BC). Plato (429-347 BC) mentions it as a phenomenon in his time. He tells us that a person under divine possession received utterances and visions that the receiver did not understand. These utterances were sometimes accompanied by physical healing of people present. Virgil (70-19 BC) tells us that the Sibylline priestess, when in prayer, united her spirit with the god Apollo and spoke in strange tongues.ii SOURCE

Beep Beep Beep Boop Boop Boop (Is it real or Memorex?)

Steve had mentioned that he would like some sources for his current project. I supplied these studies and noted that they provide an abundance of citation to investigate.

Genuine, counterfeit, fake....... If there is no such thing as a genuine $7 bill, there can be no counterfeit but, there can be a fake. Counterfeit implies the genuine exists.

A lot of the supposition we have seen here is that speaking in tongues has a spiritual significance. Picture this...You're in improvisation class and the director hands you a prop. He says, "Make up a language and sell this to Joe." Can it be done? Yes. I've seen it and done it myself. Is it really a language? No, but, it sounds like one. It sounds just like what we used to do in our excellor sessions. Maybe that's why this stuff seemed so easy to me when I became involved with The Way. But, where is the spiritual significance? Where does God figure into the whole thing? (By the whole thing, I mean the improvisation class exercise.)

How do we explain Non-Christian incidents of the practice, some predating Christ by thousands of years?

Maybe we should just use gobble-dee-goop as a catch-all phrase. That way we don't have to worry about whether we're saying gibberish when we mean glossolalia and vice versa.

Anyone remember how they said if your tongue went "over" you were spilling into prophesy? Really? If it's coming from God, you would think He would pull back on the reins at the appropriate time, wouldn't you?

I can hear you but I can't see you.

New??? Nah. It's like a rotting carcase in a cornfield. Well, I guess if you're a buzzard, looking to chow down on carrion, you might consider that new.

We had a discussion of this topic a couple years ago. (Thus Saith Paul) I made a lot of enemies in the process. There was another discussion of it in '03 or '04, as well.

I'm not sure I understand your question, OS. Do you mean, what does the Bible say about speaking in tongues? Not all that much, really, and most, if not all, of it emanated from Paul.

They used to include all this stuff in what we used to call "session 13". Then, they got hip and realized they could make a separate class and charge for that one too. When I took the Advanced Class, I had already taken a version of PFAL that included session #13 but, I was required to pay my donation? and take the new intermediate class, first. I remember being ticked off about that. All they did was play part of session #13 and add a whole bunch of excellor sessions. Stretched an hour teaching out over a whole weekend.

What was the purpose of excellor sessions? It was to 1.)make what we were doing appear to be as real as we could make it and 2.)enhance the theatrical effects. What other purpose could those sessions have served? ....................................................... Why was it insisted that we never do it in a manner that deviated from Way standards? Because we were only supposed to do it for people who were pre-primed to accept it.

Linguistics The syllables that make up instances of glossolalia typically appear to be unpatterned reorganizations of phonemes from the primary language of the person uttering the syllables; thus, the glossolalia of people from Russia, the United Kingdom, and Brazil all sound quite different from each other, but vaguely resemble the Russian, English, and Portuguese languages, respectively. Many linguists generally regard most glossolalia as lacking any identifiable semantics, syntax, or morphology. [15] SOURCE Here is the [15] citation: CLICK ..................................................................................... Sure, it SOUNDS like it has a structure. That's why it's so convincing.

Raf: Mind you, I'm not suggesting no samples exist. Plenty exist, and insofar as they have been examined by competent linguists, they have all been dismissed as non-languages (not archaic, not angelic, not foreign, not languages). Chock: Can you document this claim for me? I'd like to see the actual evidence before coming to a conclusion on how widespread fakery in this area is. And this does seem to be a statement that would have some factual evidence to support. ................................................................................ HERE (page 3 or 4, I think.)

In order to have a counterfeit (anything), there must first be a genuine. It's now my opinion that the genuine never existed. (At least in this day and time)....Sooooo..Counterfeited? No.... Faked? Yes.

I've still got boxes and boxes of SNS tapes, buried in with the rest of the clutter in my cellar. Did those have mannies on them? It's been too many years since I listened to them to remember. Edit: I'm not even sure I still have a machine that would play them.

I got witnessed to, spoke in tongues, spoke with interpretation and brought forth prophesy, all within a time span of 1 or 2 weeks....before I took the class. But, what does that really mean? I don't know. Maybe it just means I was less inhibited in this department than some of the others.

You could probably write one about LCM and call it "Old Yeller".

Wierwille said that praying in the spirit meant speaking in tongues to yourself (silently). How do we know that's really the intended meaning?