waysider

I thought it might be interesting to take a peek at some of the characteristics typically used to define a "language". "All languages rely on the process of semiosis to relate signs with particular meanings. Oral and sign languages contain a phonological system that governs how symbols are used to form sequences known as words or morphemes, and a syntactic system that governs how words and morphemes are combined to form phrases and utterances." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language "All languages rely on a..........syntactic system." (This element is missing in speaking in tongues.)

We had great success with a motion simulator. It's a little vibrating motor that fits up under the crib. Our pediatrician used to lend them out. I'm sure there's probably a "new and improved" version out there somewhere.

Soooooo (flogging the equine yet one more time).....If it's holy spirit doing the energizing when Christians speak in tongues, what is it doing the energizing when Non-Christians speak in tongues? I propose it's the innate human ability to operate free vocalization.

Which is why I previously said.......You can take God completely out of the picture and still test to see if genuine languages are being produced. It doesn't have to include any sort of "spiritual" aspect whatsoever...

Here's the difference, Chock. You can't disprove the resurrection, the ascension, the new birth. You can, on the other hand, for all practical purposes, disprove that speaking in tongues (as we know it today) is a language-producing-action, on a par with what is described in Acts 2. Not 100%, mind you, but, with a very high level of certainty.

Yikes!

I'll say this, if SIT represents real languages, Wierwille's tongue must have been from a very primitive people. What sort of language only has 6 or 7 words?

"Why am I doing this again?" I saw a man beating his head against the wall. I said, "Doesn't that hurt?". "Yes", he said, "but it feels so good when I stop".

Not really....You can take God completely out of the picture and still test to see if genuine languages are being produced. It doesn't have to include any sort of "spiritual" aspect whatsoever.

I think I see the disconnect. In the first example you gave, it's God that's being tested. In the second example, it's not God being tested, it's tongues.

That sounds more like a rationalization than rationale. Based on that, one could argue that prayer is tempting God. I'm not saying it is. I'm saying one could argue that premise.

What rationale could there be for God refusing to cooperate and assuming an elusive position? Doesn't that seem to fly in the face of the scriptures that declare He never changes? What about the scriptures that say He never lies? It seems like He would be contractually obligated to deliver what was offered.....unless we're misunderstanding whatever it was that was offered.

Once, in Egypt, a baby with 3 heads was born.

All I could come up with is "Screw you!" Do you think they would laugh?

The purpose of language is to convey information. What, if any, information is being conveyed by what we refer to as speaking in tongues? Even if there is, in fact, information being conveyed, what purpose does it serve if it can't be identified? We can't even figure out what dolphins are saying to each other and we KNOW they are communicating information to each other!

I think his actual words were, "Fig you, Newton!". (I trust we won't need an interpreter.)

We may never know, now that our primary experimental specimen has turned his back to the wall and died from a broken heart.

Someone will probably take this the wrong way but I've always wondered if a deaf person can speak in tongues using ASL.

You could have strung a single cable across town and back again and Wierwille's signal would have looked like this: LLLLLLOOOOOOO SSSSSHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTTAAAA LLLLLLAAAAAA MMMMMMMAAAAAKKKKKKKKKAAAAA SSSSSSEEEEEE TTTTAAAAAYYYYY.

Well, it might be old light but it would be new light to ....... Is it possible to graph a 45 degree angle with multiple repetitions of "Lo Shanta Lo Maka See Tay"?

If we could find a way to apply some of that technology to a study of speaking in tongues we could shed a lot of light on the whole issue.

BTW I'm publishing a book revealing the secrets of my soul that I've divulged here. I'm calling it A Practical Cure For Insomnia.

Here is the dolphin link, again. CLICK

It was done with dolphins to demonstrate that the sounds they make are a regimented form of communication, not simply random noises.

How much you want to bet that guy has had someone try to collect $1M doing this, but because nobody could prove the interpretation they didn't win. The only way to win $1M from him is a Pentecost type of miracle. And if you believe God will back that, you need to be praying for the right numbers to enter in Lotto instead of wasting your time there!!!! Maybe...But sometimes the journey is more interesting than the destination.