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It cannot hear because my words are all carried away.

Said the straight man to the late man "Where have you been?" I've been here and I've been there and I've been in between. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kVNl-9cS9c

I'm not finding any such reference on this thread, other than yours. So, I pose the question again....earned much more WHAT?

Show of hands, please....Who here really gave a rat's patootie about how many were crucified with Christ before VPW told you should?

"...earned much more." Much more WHAT?

Wierwille's "doctrine" was not so much about how many were crucified with Christ as it was about the lifestyle he promoted. To some degree, the two are intertwined. For example, his use of Darby's administrations/dispensations (doctrine) allowed for an excuse to act (lifestyle) in a manner that is contrary to the overall body of scriptures that most Christians hold in high regard. Likewise with his "law of believing". It's a doctrine, true, but the real danger lies in the kind of lifestyle it promotes. There are plenty more examples of this same kind of thing. Had PFAL not promoted a particular, unorthodox kind of lifestyle, it would have faded into history rather quickly, as merely another Bible class, lost among the millions that came before and after it. This same lifestyle is what persists to this day. If you haven't seen it, you probably haven't been on facebook lately, where ex-Way followers continue to hype and promote it.

It just sounds like a bunch of Darby dogma, restated. No offense intended.

Change a few of the names and .....voilà! Snow on the gas pumps all over again.

Cute. Not sure what it has to do with the topic but....cute.

Maybe "it" is the ability to evoke deep emotional response from fellow human type creatures. That's just a guess on my part, though.

They still have "it". (I'm not really sure what "it" is but they've got it.)

Hmmmm....sounds like a bad case of Déjà Vic.

".....and having done all, do WHAT, class?" "Move beyond Wierwille!!" "Dat's riiiight!"

You didn't imagine it.

Remember PFAL? You know, the class that was soooo important, we had to make sure everyone in the world sat through it? The one people literally died trying to promote? Yeah, that one. Even it's in mothballs now....Not that I'm complaining about that, mind you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juzm3BRksf0

Chock said: Nothing but a wasteland of lost time, money, and opportunity. This should appear on their letterhead, directly below the logo.

Marketing, in and of itself, is not wrong. What's wrong is marketing a product that has been shown to be defective and using deceptive measures to do so.

Though I understand your point, Allan, you have to ask yourself how much of it was "God's Word"? Much of what we marveled at, back in the day, as being earth shattering new information has been shown to be nothing more than shoddy "research", laden with error. I don't think that presents us with cause to celebrate.

I grew up not far from where this happened. (not much more than walking distance) It's surreal.

"The only thing I ever heard on this topic was VPW teaching that polygamists were sex perverts.".....Galen According to the definition of polygamy, as VPW presented it in CF&S, he, himself, was a polygamist. Where does that leave us?

Wow, how utterly clever...using sexual innuendo at a class that's supposed to be about learning leadership skills for Christian ministry. Yep, that's spiritual, alright.

He was not a MOG, ours or anyone else's. He was a hick from Hoopyville Hts who stumbled onto a clever way to con people. It just so happens he used the Bible to front his game, instead of musical instruments like Harold Hill (The Music Man).

I've long maintained that it was our lifestyle, not doctrinal issues, that caused so much chronic damage. Ironically, part of our lifestyle involved obsessing over doctrinal minutia that had little, if any, bearing on anything in the real world.