waysider

I would say that anytime you consider your group's (whatever group it may be.) information base to be unique and elite,you are going to filter any new information through that knowledge base. This is a common problem with ex-Way people, in particular, when they attend non-Way sermons. Everything is viewed in light of whether or not it agrees with Way-based theology. I don't think, however, that The Way is alone in this sort of practice. In a sense, it's part of simple human nature to scrutinize the unknown in relation to the known.

Only "The Shadow" knows.

Pasturized....Isn't that what you call a cow that's escaped the barn?

"I think waysider answered some of it but I am going to have to chew on that stuff if you have anymore to add that would be awesome!" That's an off-the-cuff recollection of what I was taught about it 40+ years ago.If I can find more information in a syllabus or book, I'll post it here. My computer access, however, is somewhat limited at the moment.

Perhaps your dream is somehow linked to a phenomenon called false memory syndrome.

So, what's your point?

Here's how I remember it. Wierwille said that there was no verb form "be/was" in the original. Therefore it had to be translated "became". Yeah, I know. That's a derivation of the same thing. Wacky stuff. He also said it had to be translated as such because it explains the phrase "tohu waw bohu" (null and void). It seems the idea here is that God would not have first created nothingness and then replaced it with something tangible. He would have created something of substance and then nullified it. As to the Lucifer reference: This is supposed to explain the section of Isaiah that deals with Lucifer's fall. According to Wierwille, Lucifer (the bright and morning star) was second in command to God but plotted to overthrow God's authority. His plot was foiled and he was banished from Heaven, along with 1/3 of the angels. (These were the ones who were part of his plot.) This idea was also used to teach how the firmament came to be compromised in the cataclysmic battle that ensued, as well as explain the existence of devil spirits who roam the Earth. His vacated position as bright and morning star was later filled by Jesus Christ.

VP was clever enough to claim that, if any of "his" research proved to be wrong, he would willing change his position, though he never actually did on anything of real consequence.

La Tomatina

There weren't too many in TWI who had developed their own voice. Most were a cheap cover version of VPW, complete with awkward mannerisms and "aw-shucks" demeanor.

Maybe there were two governors named Quirinius. It's a really common name,here in Ohio.

Here's the thing...You read in Aesop's Fables and the like of grasshoppers talking to ants, turtles and hares engaged in foot races, and so on. Now, I don't think too many people actually believe these things really happened. Still, if you can look past the obvious discrepancies there are many great lessons that can be gleaned. Insist on these fables being literally true and your vistas of learning become dim and clouded.

:realmad: How's that for antagonistic? lol. This whole idea that everything HAS to fit like a foot in a gym shoe is just childish. It ignores the chronology and autonomous nature of the individual writings. Yeah, I know, "God had a plan for it all to fall together when the canon was decided on", blah, blah, blah. It's another case of not being able to see the forest for the trees. It's not inerrant. It's just not. Until one can accept that reality, the greater message is lost somewhere between the fine points of grammar and punctuation.

Well said.

"I appreciate your wonderful insight." ........and we appreciate yours, as well.

There are no discrepancies, Raf, only APPARENT discrepancies. Sheesh! Weren't you listening during PLAF (The Wonder Class)?

WAIT!!!! Isn't there a Greek word we can squeeze for some obscure meaning? There has to be one there. I just know it. There has to be.

"You'll just have to take my word on this...Father told me."---VPW

I think I have it somewhere. I'll try to look for it this weekend.

I'm so sorry, Rascal. Sometimes this stuff just burns me up.

Fellow workers will avoid it for fear of becoming the next target. Human Resources will ignore it if the bully is making profitability numbers look good. In fact, you may find H.R. tends to side with the bully, for that reason. Remember, H.R. does not work for the employees' well-being, they work to protect the interests of the company/organization.

Think about the L.E.A.D. program. The whole thing was based on a foundation of bullying techniques...unrealistic deadlines, unreachable performance goals, belittlement, etc. etc. Hardly what one should expect of a program that (supposed) is designed to enrich peoples' lives.

"Projection Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be painful), and to distract and divert attention away from themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves. This knowledge can be used to perceive the bully's own misdemeanours; for instance, when the allegations are of financial or sexual impropriety, it is likely that the bully has committed these acts; when the bully makes an allegation of abuse (such allegations tend to be vague and non-specific), it is likely to be the bully who has committed the abuse. When the bully makes allegations of, say, "cowardice" or "negative attitude" it is the bully who is a coward or has a negative attitude. In these circumstances, the bully has to understand that if specious and insubstantive allegations are made, the bully will also be investigated. When the symptoms of psychiatric injury become apparent to others, most bullies will play the Mental Health Trap, claiming their target is "mentally ill" or "mentally unstable" or has a "mental health problem". It is more likely that this allegation is a projection of the bully's own mental health problems. If this trap is being used on you, assert "projection" as a defence against disciplinary action or as part of your legal proceedings. It is a key identifying feature of a person with a personality disorder or psychopathic personality that, when called to account, they will accuse the person who is unmasking them of being the one with the personality disorder or psychopathic personality from which they (the bully) suffer." Source

Chalk one up for "more harmony in the home".