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Interestingly, this contradicts the Advanced Class definitions for the revelation manifestations. Is word of knowledge considered to be spiritually energized? If so, here's what the A.C. syllabus has to say: ".....you may receive from God, by His revealing it to you, certain truths or facts concerning any situation about which it is humanly impossible for you by your five senses to know anything." Now, before you go off about how TIP/Prophesy is not done by revelation, I remind you that you said "all things spiritually energized".

The discrepancy in question here is whether he said, "One small step for Man, one giant leap for Mankind" ...or.... "One small step for a man, one giant leap for Mankind". Personally, I don't think he actually uttered the "a" but I believe that is what he was implying. If he had uttered the first statement verbatim, he would have been saying something that contradicts itself.

Here's a stray thought that passed through my mind: If TIP and Prophesy are really "spiritually energized", why is knowledge of scripture or scripture-related phraseology required to produce it?

On July 20, 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the Moon. HERE

Here's how TIP/Prophesy works: You fill your mind with "Bible-talk", via classes, twig meetings, so on and so forth. When the time comes, you simply recapitulate said Bible-talk in a manner that satisfies the rules that have been laid out. That's it, no mystery, no mystical power at work. Sorry if that sounds blunt and cold. That's how it happens. (IMO)

I have no idea where you are going with this, John. If you need an example, try Psalm 102:26,27. There are lots of other examples, as well. If the materials in TIP were based on something that is constant, why did the rules change and evolve? I think you already know the answer. It was man-made and contrived. If it wasn't, Wierwille would have had to say he had made a mistake the first time he presented it. As you know, Wierwille wasn't too big on saying he'd made a mistake about anything....ever.

Can you explain what this means? The scriptures say that God doesn't change, His word doesn't change. So, why would the execution of TIP need to change?

If it had been a genuine "manifestation of spirit", not only would none of this mattered, it would not have been necessary to change anything. I think we can all recall a few scriptures that speak to the timelessness and unchanging nature of God's Word.

"Breaking news!.... Tic just licked himself.... We return you now to your regularly scheduled twig meeting."

Are there any good listings in THIS one? (Sorry, I don't have time to check them at the moment.)

Oh, look. My was just delivered.

"Any volunteer may be dismissed at any time and/or program cancelled at sole discretion of those charged with oversight." <_<

Very interesting. I had a similar, though non-healing, experience myself. It resembled what we would think of as being a revelation sort of incident, though I'm not saying that's what it was. It was so strange and startling and anti-TWI, I didn't act on it. If I had, my life what have taken a dramatically different turn for the better. I told my twig leader about it and he told me it was "unrenewed mind". Years later, I discovered on GSC that what I had seen was actually true. It never happened to me before or after that event.

You're a good man, Charlie Brown Groucho.

Same as it ever was........

So true.....The purpose of undershepherding was to isolate/insulate newbies from outside influences.

Carpe Diem

Be careful. Somebody might steal "The Club" and leave the car....he he!

I'm still waiting for Godot.

Careful there, Ham. This caveat is posted on their site: "Any volunteer may be dismissed at any time and/or program cancelled at sole discretion of those charged with oversight."

Yeah, that's what VPP taught in PLAF (The Wonder Class). The whole Way "thang" is so chock full of contradictions, you might as well toss the whole thing in the crapper and give it a good flush.

Embarrassed-----that I walked the straight and narrow, thinking that's what all the other good wayfers were doing.

This is the original question.

It's kismet.