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"By denying that they feel fear, are they in the process blocking out, or desensitizing feeling of other emotions as well?" In my opinion the answer is "yes". When a close friend of mine died, I was castigated for wanting to mourn. Instead, I was *advised* to immediately (within a week) take the Dealing With The Adversary class so I could move on to more important (ministry) business. Emotions serve a very real and functional place in one's life. By denying that function, The Way was usurping our individual personalities, programming us to a life of conformity.

Before the collaterals were bound into book form, they consisted of several individual paper booklets. The one that is now called "The Law of Believing" was, at that time, called "The Magic of Believing". The whole positive/magic thinking craze had been sweeping the nation for several years. I think, perhaps, Wierwille had hopes of hitching his wagon to the positive thinking trend but found the market to be too saturated. Still, I think Jiminy Cricket said it best when he sang, " , makes no difference who you are, your dreams come true." (Works for saint and sinner alike)

VPW was a serial rapist. Why his life should be compared to the Duke incident is a mystery to me.

It's disconcerting to know it happens in other groups but comforting, in some twisted way, to know we weren't alone. Does my observation make any sense?

I think I'll stick with Bill Cosby's version......

I tend to shy away from artistic comparisons that are competitive in nature, unless they're based on specific technical criteria. In other words...it's all about what "floats your boat".

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Just imagine what it might have been like if there had been an internet 40 years ago. VP probably would have died in a jail cell.

“If you have 100 stories that are really similar, the likelihood that they're all made up is really low.” ....AMEN

Roy Please get in touch with your doctors and be honest with them about what's going on. They are trained to help you but you need to do what they tell you for your treatments to be successful. We all care about you, Roy.

Didn't *the green card* say PFAL "promotes harmony in the home."? "He was a mean man.".........Mrs. W.

But, wait! There's more!........lot's more.

PFAL was like one of those AMAZING! new products you see on TV that you never knew you needed until they told you so.

....So the outsider looks at this thread and wonders, "Why on earth did you ignore all these red flags?". Part of the answer lies in the PFAL class, itself, where we were taught, in session #5, not to give thoughtful consideration to anything that contradicts what we had been taught. Instead, we were supposed to just "STAND!" and never budge. This was reinforced in classes like Dealing With The Adversary and Renewed Mind, where we were taught specific techniques for resisting critical analysis. In addition, there was extreme peer pressure to think, speak and act like everyone else in the group. As we progressed further into the depths of involvement, a new element was added. Dire consequences would supposedly befall us or our loved ones if ever we should leave. It didn't take so very long to learn the best course of action was, seemingly, to ignore all warnings.

In a perfect world, the answer would be quite simple. We don't live in a perfect world. Capish?

Before I took the class, they told me I had to have a KJV, so I went to the second hand store and bought this big old clunky book table kind of thing. It was really sort of beautiful in its own way. ................It went over like a fart in Sunday School. It looked just like this.... http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mA3JlpgWbl6f21AKph3lCYA.jpg

I knew very little about the Bible other than the basic Sunday school sort of things. What state where you in when you got witnessed to? I was in FellowLaborers of Ohio in the mid 1970's.

Looking back, there are three distinct red flags that stand out for me. I took *the class* in 1972. For the next three years I became very active at the local level with twig, branch, classes and so on. Everything I did was centered on The Way, 7 days a week. After the first year, I took the Advanced Class. This was a doctrinal red flag for me. The class seemed like a bunch of made up mumbo-jumbo and left me feeling immensely depressed that I just wasn't *seeing* all the great spiritual truths everyone else was supposedly seeing. I sucked it up and soldiered on....Red Flag #1 After about 3 years of non-stop ministry activity, many of the locals began leaving for WOW and Way Corp. I was approached with the prospect of going into a relatively new, 2 year, in-residence Limb program called FellowLaborers. It was supposed to be similar to the Way Corps in concept. The basic premise was to do an in-depth study of Acts and pattern our daily lifestyle after the first century church. After graduation, we were to return to our hometowns as better equipped leaders. Upon arrival I immediately encountered the participants who had just completed their first year. They were living a lifestyle that was completely self centered. It was every man for himself. There was lots of freeloading and manipulation of the more generous participants. I was rather astounded that no one else seemed to be phased by this. It wasn't even remotely like what I had been so involved in for the previous 3 years. And, this was only the first day.... Red Flag #2. Red flag number 3 came at Christmas break, my first year in FellowLaborers. It so happened that the Way Corps was on break at the same time. Many of us F.L. and W.C. got together several times over break. I detected an extreme sense of elitism regarding the difference between the 2 programs. The Way Corps people were all fired up about how they had been learning all sorts of special keys to living a more abundant life such as....using smaller amounts of toothpaste, looking for free deals on clothing and personal supplies, how to stretch a dollar until it screams "Uncle!". This is the abundant life??? They must be missing something in the lessons, I thought at first, until I realized they were serious. Well, I could have continued living on the fringes of hippiedom if that's all there is to it. Have I been wasting my time and energy these past 3 years? Again, I soldiered on, thinking it must be me who was missing the point.....Red Flag #3.

Imagine you bought a ticket for Kansas City and boarded the train. You fall asleep and later wake up somewhere in New Jersey. But, everyone around you assures you that you are in Kansas City. That's kind of how I felt in the late 1970's/early 1980's. Why didn't I realize my ticket had taken me to a place I never signed on for? I don't know. It just seems too surreal to be true.

The whole thing is like a bad movie I wish I had never watched....but I did.

"David Koresh has no connection whatsoever with the group Houteff started?" Any perceived connection is tenuous at best. It would be akin to saying that Michael Rood's group and S.O.W.E.R.S. are connected because trace amounts of their origins both have links to The Way. Another way to state it is to say that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are connected because they all trace their roots to Abraham in some manner or fashion.

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I'd be there for that chili in a heartbeat if I was closer. It's very generous of you to make that offer.