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When you take it for granted the water will be there, it's likely to be because it has been there in the past. When you accept it on blind faith the water will be there, you have no evidence that it will be. At least, that's how I see the two differing.

We had something like that in FellowLaborers. I think it would have been about 1977. Middle of the night..We were all copped out...Bringing down the whole "ministry".. Word Over The World wasn't happening and it was our fault..Program was immediately canceled and then on again just a few hours later...Must tow the line completely to continue in the program....blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada...

The flip side of the old age problem is the young age at which people had babies. Thirty seems totally reasonable today but, if years were measured in a different manner (Some fundamentalists have suggested years were really months), it would mean that children of pre-school age were giving birth to their own children.

You have a good point. To say a modern day person could achieve such longevity would be an actual error, based on what we now understand about human physiology. We don't, however, really know all the nuances involved in the Genesis account. So, although the chances of the account being accurate are astronomically remote, we can't say with all certainty it's an actual error.

Well, sure, it was OK for THEM to have insurance. It was paid for with the money we would have spent on our own insurance, had we not given it to them, instead.

Actual error: The incredible ages of persons who lived during that era. The human body is genetically destined to "fizzle out" at about 125 years. (Hayflick Limit) Either it's an actual error or they measured their years differently. Still, any "different" measurement of years would suggest that the younger ages cited would be in error, instead.

They could have learned a thing or two from THESE guys.

As the old saying goes, "We were like mushrooms...They kept us in the dark and fed us horse poop."

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It should be noted I'm referring to a time frame that is more than 40 years ago.

Disclaimer: I have not read this yet. HERE is the link.

As a concept, lack of insurance was pervasive in the early 1970's. It was a sign that your believing was "weak". Who wants that? As WW pointed out, the reality was that it meant you had more money to give to The Way. At that time, Ohio did not have a "proof of insurance" requirement for vehicle registration so very few of us had car insurance. Most of us were young and didn't give much thought to health insurance.

"Regarding the Genesis writers, I thought basic astronomy was known during that time, much more than worlds of the flat in Columbus days." Not to drive this too far off track but it was known long before the days of Columbus that the Earth was not flat. Hundreds of years before Christ, the Earth was declared spherical and its size was calculated. SOURCE

The seat of learning And the flush of success Relieves a constipated mind

It doesn't change my opinion of you one bit.

The B.A and Master of Theology don't "add up". And what's up with using his Master's Thesis (if he really wrote one) as his Doctoral Dissertation? It all sounds pretty exaggerated to me.

Relevant thread cross-over-----scroll to top of page.

On more than one occasion, I contacted both schools, requesting general information on VPW, regarding his academic studies. Both schools declined to provide me with any information. edit: It's been a while but with one of the schools (I think it was Lakeland), I simply asked to verify his alumni status, as he mentions them in T.W.L.I.L. You wouldn't think it would be much of a violation of privacy to simply ask if someone really graduated from your school. Who knew? edit#2: One of the schools got "snooty" with me, telling me (I'm paraphrasing.) "It's none of your business."...In a polite manner, of course.

I suppose we should at least give Wierwille some credit for being a world class storyteller. If only there had been more stories that ended with "They lived happily ever after.".

It's interesting how we, as outsiders, can look at Hubbard's story, examine the facts and easily reach a logical conclusion. When it comes to the famous "snow on the gas pump stories" of Wierwille, however, there are some who will always insist on ignoring reality. I'm just sayin'.

Wierwille sure liked to spin a good yarn...developing the hook shot, inventing fast food, making snow explode, blah, blah, blah. Well, it seems he wasn't alone in that respect. L. Ron Hubbard, of Scientology fame, was known to spin a few whoppers, as well. Consider this one, for example: ........................................................................... Claims of submarine contact off Cape Lookout[edit] In the early hours of 19 May 1943, the crew of PC-815 detected what Hubbard thought was first one then later two Imperial Japanese Navy submarines approximately 10 nautical miles (19 km) off the shore of Cape Lookout. Both the SONAR operator and Lt. Hubbard himself thought that the echo of an active sonar ping, combined with apparent engine noises heard through the ship's hydrophone indicated contact with a submarine.[4] Over the next 68 hours, the ship expended 37 depth charges in a "battle" that also involved the U.S. Navy blimps K-39 and K-33, the United States Coast Guard patrol boats Bonham and 78302, and the subchasers USS SC-536 and USS SC-537, all summoned to act as reinforcements. PC-815 was finally ordered back to base on 21 May.[5] In his eighteen page after-action report, Hubbard claimed to have "definitely sunk, beyond doubt" one submarine and critically damaged another. However, the subsequent investigation by the Commander NW Sea Frontier, Vice Admiral Frank Jack Fletcher, cast a skeptical light on Hubbard's claims. His summary memorandum to Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, stated: It is noted that the report of PC 815 is not in accordance with "Anti-Submarine Action by Surface Ship" (ASW-1) which should be submitted to Commander in Chief, U.S. Fleet.[6] An analysis of all reports convinces me that there was no submarine in the area. Lieutenant Commander Sullivan states that he was unable to obtain any evidence of a submarine except one bubble of air which is unexplained except by turbulence of water due to a depth charge explosion. The Commanding Officers of all ships except the PC-815 state they had no evidence of a submarine and do not think a submarine was in the area.[7] Fletcher added that "there is a known magnetic deposit in the area in which depth charges were dropped", absolving the responding blimps from any fault as their method of detecting submarines relies on a Magnetic Anomaly Detector. This also implied that Lt. Hubbard and his crew were operating the ship's SONAR equipment incorrectly.[8] After the war, British and American analysis of captured Japanese Navy records confirmed that no Japanese submarines had been lost off the Oregon coast.[9] Hubbard, however, never accepted that he had been mistaken about the "battle." Both he and Tom Moulton, one of his officers, claimed that the official denials of any Japanese submarine presence off the Pacific coast had been motivated by a desire to avoid panic among the U.S. population.[10] Years later, Hubbard told Scientologists: I dropped the I-76 or the Imperial Japanese Navy Trans-Pacific Submarine down into the mouth of the Columbia River, dead duck. And it went down with a resounding furor. And that was that. I never thought about it again particularly except to get mad at all the admirals I had to make reports to because of this thing, see? This was one out of seventy-nine separate actions that I had to do with. And it had no significance, see? But the other day I was kind of tired, and my dad suddenly sprung on me the fact that my submarine had been causing a tremendous amount of difficulty in the mouth of the Columbia River. Hadn't thought about this thing for years. Of course, it's all shot to ribbons, this thing. It's got jagged steel sticking out at all ends and angles, and it's a big submarine! It's a — I don't know, about the size of the first Narwhal that we built. And the fishermen coming in there and fishing are dragging their nets around in that area, and it's just tearing their nets to ribbons — they've even hired a civilian contractor to try to blow the thing up and get it the devil out of there — and has evidently been raising bob with postwar fishing here for more years than I'd care to count.[11] However, the mouth of the Columbia River is some 75 miles north of Cape Lookout, the area in which Hubbard's naval reports claimed his anti-submarine action took place SOURCE I guess it must be some kind of cult leader "thing". I don't understand.

They were stuck in idle for a long time. Then they just stalled out. Now the battery is dead and the jumper cables are nowhere to be found.

Great song...Beautiful voice....Powerful message

He said "Write The Teacher.". I don't think he ever said "The Teacher will write you back.".