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They became complicit the first time they became aware of it and chose to cover it up rather than address it properly. edit: I'm not a lawyer so that's just my opinion.

Just off the top of my head, there was Ken B., who was run over by a semi, en route to LEAD and Rachel W., who took her own life after she was severely injured in *the LEAD accident* and subsequently treated like a pariah. Another poster on GSC was brutally raped by a trucker. I won't name her because she no longer posts here. I don't have any links to refer to at the moment.

It's cause for reflection.

To be clear, VPW, himself, did not commit the murders but they were committed within a program (WOW) he sanctioned. When there were deaths in the LEAD program, it should have been halted immediately. Instead, the deaths were covered up and the program continued on.

It's a generational "thing". You young whippersnappers wouldn't understand. Now, please excuse me, I'm late for a meeting of the philatelist club.

For what it's worth A some point, all female Corps applicants were required to submit results of STD testing. I don't recall the year this began.

Would you deliver in the hills?

Maybe we didn't die as a result of our partaking the forbidden fruit He may have not had a hand in taking any one's life. Unfortunately, this is not completely accurate. People DID die because of their involvement with The Way and callous negligence of VPW. There were deaths caused by blatant safety violations (LEAD in particular), suicides precipitated by misconduct of leadership, murders on the WOW field and deaths that were the result of The Way's misguided "law of believing". Many of those deaths are chronicled on the pages of GSC.

He got much of his conspiracy babble from a group called Liberty Lobby and their newsletter, The Spotlight. Liberty Lobby was/is a white supremacist, anti-Semitic organization whose specialty is hate-inducing, Holocaust denial propaganda. He (VPW) then spouted the talking points as if he was receiving them by revelation from God. Remember the bicentennial takeover, etc?.....That's where it came from. This has been documented on the pages of GSC.

HERE is one.

That's why I think the "I'm still here." quote is so funny. Wierwille stepped up to the microphone on the main stage at Rock Of Ages and announced, "I'm still here." Uh Huh....and so was the frickin' rain.

Tip #47: Never hide in the hallway without a sandwich.

In essence, what I mean is that I don't engage in lengthy dialogue.

Speaking only for myself, I prefer to politely tell them I'm not at all interested, thank them for their concern and end the conversation at that.

The apple doesn't fall far from The Way Tree.

Purely as a matter of clarification, the original poster was asking if Ehrman had a valid point in observing that the conversation may not have actually taken place at all, rendering meta discussion of its contents a moot point. Is that correct?

It's really kind of embarrassing to finally see how annoying we I must have been.

"I'm still here." Hahahahahaha!

People learn a great deal through vicarious experience, what to avoid and what to embrace. I suspect this book will provide that opportunity for its readers.

My question then would be, why are you watching it? Fact is, I've stopped watching it, for the most part. There are still a few shows and web sites that provide information in a more neutral manner. I visit those for pertinent information that may affect me. Nothing is totally unbiased or neutral. That's why one has to look beyond the initial story and do some independent investigating. I'm just one of those people who enjoy learning new things and unlearning some old things.

It seems like only yesterday, my mother would bounce me on her knee and sing song, complete with the speech impediment in the final verses. She sang it to all the grandkids, as well. I sure do miss her.Happy Mothers Day to all.

What constant news coverage? I meant that in a generic sense. What we used to call "human interest segments" now seem to overshadow actual news events dealing with relevant information. Back in the day, news was a vehicle for providing needed information and facts. Now, there's far too much editorializing and sensationalism. (IMO)

It's a mixed bag for me. On one hand, I do get weary of constant news coverage of these sorts of things. On the other hand, it has relevance to me because I have local ties. I lost a relative to crime in this same neighborhood. We weren't close but it still holds a special interest for me.

I guess my point was that, if you haven't acquired a sense of ethics in between kindergarten and grad school, it's likely to be an exercise in futility.

If you want to get a feel for what this area looks like, you can get a google map and drag onto a street view. Here are some relevant streets: Seymore Ave., Clark Ave., Scranton Rd., W. 25th St., Train Ave. (All Cleveland, Ohio) You will notice in the photos there are churches seemingly everywhere.