waysider

No politics, Allan.

Do you deliver in the hills?

Farewell the temple master’s bells His kiosk and his black worm seed Courtship solely of his word With Eden guaranteed.

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Slowly making my way back.

Hi everyone. This is waysider. Been a while since I posted. Had an accident on the interstate. I'll be back eventually. Drive safely please. Pay attention in construction zones, please.

Good Stuff!

Wierwille gave us examples of how he "practiced" discerning of spirits. Was that a veiled invitation to try it ourselves? Well, at the time, it seemed to be. That's my answer to the question regarding D.O.S. excellor sessions. Now, regarding retemories and how such things relate to the discussion of freewill: We were advised to disregard our own thoughts and emotions and replace them with thoughts that had been prescribed for us. We made decisions and behaved in ways we might have otherwise decided against.

Yes. The current tangent spun off a post I made yesterday. Posted yesterday at 11:01 AM Does anyone else remember being taught (Advanced Class or Dealing With The Adversary, perhaps?) that the subconscious is a fallacy? Something about everything really being spiritual background noise or ...something. I think that was proposed as part of the idea behind throwing retemories at undesired thoughts, "keeping the birds from nesting where they land". We were supposed to be the ones who made the decision which thoughts to entertain and which to discard. Somehow, 50 years of life experiences have clouded the details for me. The key element relating to free will thought and behavior was this: "We were supposed to be the ones who made the decision which thoughts to entertain and which to discard."

Interestingly enough, the answer is yes (sort of). Believers used to go to public places, such as malls and fairs and parks, and try to discern the spirits in the people around them. Wierwille indirectly promoted this by his tales of trips to the race track to pick winners and his supposed ability to see black hearts for seed of the serpent and white hearts for holy spirit.

The crux of the issue here is not whether cancer is spirit possession or is not spirit possession. The heart of the matter is whether Wierwille made the claim or didn't. Clearly, he did. No supporting statements are needed. It's on page 22 of the Advanced Class syllabus.

Did you not read what I just posted mere minutes ago?

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Tell me cancer is a devil spirit without telling me cancer is a devil spirit. Advanced Class, page 22 "They *(devil spirits)* lodge in your physical body - as diseases that have a life of their own." *Parentheses* added for clarity

Politics has entered the chat.

Yeah, but only the ones who have since forgotten or weren't paying attention in the first place.

So personality disorders are devil possession? Now, where have I heard this before? (Looks up page number in Advanced Class syllabus.)

Ditto

The red water represents your "off the word" thoughts. The clear water represents your "on the word" thoughts. By slowly displacing the red water with the clear water, you are eventually left with a glass that has no room left for red water. What's that phrase we used to say? Oh, yeah, Renew Your Mind. Ship of Theseus Now, as far as the subconscious goes, the thinking was that all thoughts are spiritual in origin and what is called subconscious thought is really spiritual thought from one source or the other. Thus, you have no subconscious thought that is truly your own. edit: I didn't write the... syllabus.

Are you seriously telling me you don't understand this concept? Wow. Just. Wow! "Out with the bad air, in with the good."

Renewed Mind...Dealing With The Adversary Additional installments in the PFAL series of classes

These 2 paragraphs conflict with what was taught in subsequent classes, such as RM, DWA, etc. It was presented within the structure of the official PFAL series of classes. It was not in what you like to call TVTs. There was an example given using a pitcher of red kool-aid to illustrate. In the example a pitcher of red kool-aid was described as being placed under a faucet of clear, running water. Incrementally, the red water was displaced by clear water until all the red water was gone. The "birds nesting" example was from Orientalisms. edit: It became the rationalization given for the "en garde!" usage of retemory cards/verses.

Does anyone else remember being taught (Advanced Class or Dealing With The Adversary, perhaps?) that the subconscious is a fallacy? Something about everything really being spiritual background noise or ...something. I think that was proposed as part of the idea behind throwing retemories at undesired thoughts, "keeping the birds from nesting where they land". We were supposed to be the ones who made the decision which thoughts to entertain and which to discard. Somehow, 50 years of life experiences have clouded the details for me.

The sound of irony is deafening.

English is a goofy language, ya know? "Shut down" can have more than one meaning. Are you saying that he, himself, closes his mind to more thorough deliberation or that he attempts to silence alternative opinions? I'm not sure it matters either way. I'm just seeking a bit of clarification, here