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"Going back to the PFAL and as many times as I sat through it, I did not get a feeling that vpw had trinitarian undertones in the teaching of PFAL." What about the session (was it #5?) where he appears to get all excited and blasts out, "He's coming back as King of Kings and Lord of Lords!!"? Did your class instructors gloss that over? We were told to downplay that and explain that he had been a Trinitarian but no longer was. I asked at one point, before I had run any classes myself, why he didn't just re-film that segment. I think you can imagine the reception my question got. Know what I mean,Vern?

Thanks from me, as well. "Hot spot" at the GSC

Ring Around The Collar Who knew what a plague on mankind it was until the advertising world made us aware? And, so it was with the trinity/JCING dilemma. I never knew it was a problem until VPW told us it was. Task #1: Create a problem. Task #2: Solve the problem. Task #3: Bask in new-found celebrity, as king of the heap, for having solved the problem.

I tend to agree with you, Bolshevik. He didn't merely present a dissenting religious opinion, he deliberately created a firestorm of controversy. It's been my experience that people with good intentions tend to avoid such situations, presenting their controversial opinions in a more palatable manner, in an effort to insure a better reception.

That does make a lot of sense, Mr. B.

Ha! Problem solved. (I wasn't logged into my PayPal account.)

It was a huge stumbling block for me when I stopped going to twig and sought out alternatives.

They were both. So, there you have it. Now we can move on? edit: I'll include FellowLaborers with that if it will make anyone happy. (I was FL4&5)

I have tried repeatedly to use a prepaid gift card to do this. I don't know why but it flat out refuses to accept my card. I checked the balance and it's fine. I guess I'll try another way tomorrow.

Thanks, Raf. Your point is well taken.

The original question has been answered over and over and over again. The answer is not yes/no, black/white, night/day, on/off. Read between the lines. If it's a site where threads stay on topic you seek, you may want to check out reddit. Nothing there ever goes off topic for at least the first 4 or 5 posts.

The focal point of L.E.A.D. was to prove, not only that the law of believing was true, but to demonstrate that you knew how to operate it. Believe for rides to get there. Believe to get there on time. Believe to get there safely. Believe to come back with the same amount of money you left with.... and so on. The Way knew there were serious dangers involved with the program. Women were raped, people were robbed, people suffered debilitating frostbite and other life changing injuries, people died. Did they cancel it or make adjustments to make it safer? Nope. If you don't succeed, it's your own fault for not "believing". How convenient. It's probably about time to take a fresh look at THIS old thread.

No, we don't know what was going through his mind at that very moment. What we do know is that he counted on the bogus law of believing to keep him safe or he wouldn't have been hitching in the first place. Is it painful to rehash these memories? Yes, it is. There are plenty more where that came from regarding the L.E.A.D. experience and many other ventures undertaken by The Way. Part of what we do here is bring those memories out from under the carpet where they were swept and kept for much too long. Sorry I got the name wrong.

Yeah, like the guy (Dan B.?) who thought the law of believing would keep him safe as he hitchhiked to L.E.A.D. Unfortunately, when he stepped in front of a moving semi, as he attempted to cross the road, the situation became much too "real".

And, there's the rabbit hole. I'm not talking about a philosophical reality or a meta physical reality. I'm talking about things that simply exist. For example, a spoon is a spoon is a spoon. My perception or attitude toward it does not change it's physical presence. You can't bend a spoon with your thoughts alone, nor can you guarantee your child will die in a horrific accident because you had fearful thoughts. That's the reality of the physical world we live in, regardless of my perception or philosophical take on the matter.

Not much different than what Wierwille did. Instead of using scripture to give it a perceived credibility, they are invoking the name of science and philosophy. It's an appeal to authority, a devise that is used quite frequently when flawed logic is being presented.

I kept seeing a sign that said "Get Out Now!". I just ignored it, though, because I thought it said "Get Out House!" and, well, I've always had access to a functioning bathroom so I thought it was meant for someone else.

Negative thinking and stress can have a detrimental effect on your physical health. Or, at least, there have been studies that seem to draw that conclusion. Thinking positively about a situation can drive you to take action you might not otherwise take, thus eliciting a desired outcome. Aside from that sort of thing, there is no inherent power in your thoughts that can change things in the physical world around you. You can't think things into or out of existence or change situations by focusing your thoughts on the end result you would like to see. The "red drapes" story was a load of bunk, as was the story of the mother who "believed" her son would be killed by the car. This stuff doesn't have its foundation in anything Biblical. It's merely a twist on the New Age Thinking that was so popular in the 1950's. Wierwille cherry picked some scriptures to fit with it in an effort to make it look more credible..... "Well, you know, it says so in the Bible and I didn't write the book!".

Care to explain?

If you can get others to accept the viewpoint that, without relinquishing a portion of their income, bad things will happen, that gives you great control over them and, ultimately, their money. A steady flow of ABS, in my opinion, was the real heart of the scam.

This new perception of reality hits you like a ton on bricks when you finally realize the law of believing was a wagon load of horse manure and you've been blindly trusting an illusion for longer than you care to admit.

"It's Christ in Shoe!"

"He was a mean man."........Dotsie

In the beginning there were hot lumps........

I've noticed that when people intentionally drive a thread off-topic, it doesn't only change the subject being discussed, it also, usually, results in meta-discussion. It gets easier to spot after a while. Tangents can be a good thing if they are being presented genuinely.