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Please do.

Mike, it might help your cause if you stopped labeling your case as a manifesto. That's simply self-serving glorification. Perhaps in a semantic sense it is a manifesto. We don't really know because we haven't seen it. Maybe if you just said "Here's what I believe." and then (This is the important part.) provide some reasons why, people would be a bit more receptive.

The "pure evil model" is an invention of Mike. Its purpose is to generate an "us against them" scenario. Lots and lots of people have come to GSC and acknowledged that, along with the bad, they also had some good experiences and met some genuinely good people. I am one of them.None of that excuses or justifies the other side of the story. edit: spelling

Don't worry. He'll never post it. That would open the floor to honest debate.

Examples, please. One or two would be just fine.

Add a word, subtract a word....hahahahahahahaha!

On the contrary, Mike. I'm from Ohio (like Wierwille) and have used this idiom my whole life. In Ohio, we add "necessarily" to introduce an element of vagueness. Its meaning is quite different than what you think it is. Its something along the lines of "maybe yes, maybe no" or "Maybe. Maybe not." I'll rephrase that passage using non-Ohio vernacular. "Is all that Wierwile writes God breathed? Maybe yes, maybe no."

We'll never know what went through his mind or what his real intentions were. Personally, though, I tend to believe he was a bit like Harold Hill in The Music Man.

'68 Opel Kadett. Had only 3,000 miles on it. I paid $1,400 cash. I put a Mini-8 (8 track tape deck) in the glove box and added some speakers. THIS is the kind of stuff I listened to, cruising around empty city streets, late at night.

PLAF negates itself quite nicely without any divine intervention.

But it's anecdotal evidence...Who can possibly argue with that? /s

Exactly. In earlier threads, from years gone by, he has claimed it's the original PFAL materials. Now he claims it's the finished written form of the collaterals. I guess it's whatever will suit his purpose at a given moment. The God Breathed Bible concept is fueled by circular logic, using the Bible to prove the Bible.

Someplace in this thread, Mike stated it's the final written form.

...and so, as the sun sets slowly in the west

I'm perfectly clear on what you're saying. I simply don't agree with you. Do you see the difference?

Mildly interesting story. Has nothing to do with the current line of discussion.

Here is what you said only minutes ago: "The greatest secret in the world today is that “the Bible” (the finished PFAL writings) is the revealed (written) Word of God. " Do you see the word "finished" in there? Yeah, me. too.

Gee, imagine that, bringing a thread back on topic. What a novel idea.

Does PFAL qualify as an "existing manuscript"?

Another way to state this would be "The greatest secret in the world today is that the finished PFAL writings are the revealed, written Word of God.". So, then, by your own admission, you actually DO believe the written PFAL materials are the Word of God. Interesting. On what evidence do you base this opinion?

We have a solution to tangents here. If someone feels the tangent merits its own discussion, they may start a separate thread to do so.

So, in other words, the PFAL collaterals have replaced the Bible. Is that closer to what you believe?

Mike, I'm going to go out on a limb here and summarize what I have interpreted to be your core belief. If I am wrong, please correct me and accept my apology. You believe the scriptures are not "God Breathed", that holy men of God did not speak as they were moved. Therefore, God, desiring for his true word to be known, gave the perfected product to Wierwille in the form of Power For Abundant Living. Thus, PFAL replaces the Bible as the authoritative version of God's word. Is this correct?

Okay, here is a straight fact. Princeton Theological Seminary and Princeton University are not one and the same. Whether or not Princeton Theological Seminary is a good school is completely beside the point.

Can confirm. Lots of excessive screaming and confrontation in the FellowLaborers of Ohio program in the mid 1970's.