QuietThinker

Oh no, I did that Sudo... And none of my programs could detach them. I've no doubt it was me :-) ~QT

I told you, Ex10, that I would update you as I have information, and I will. I've contact the Norwegian authorities, and while much information prior to 1990 is held on microfiche and in paper form, they have been very kind and will be sending a snail-mail packet to me. When that arrives, I'll scan and copy what they send. As you know, my concern was not having enough information upon which to proceed and didn't want to waste time, but, your information was particularly helpful. Jan Henriksen is the name on record, and whether or not twi was referenced in particular, I have no information at present. The only information I will receive is that which is considered public record. My Norwegian is not as strong as my Danish, but, a qualified translator will look over everything before I post it, just to be sure it's accurate. Until then, ~QT

This entire thread made me think of a "memo" that was circulated through our limb just about 10 years ago. Since I was the one who typed it up for the LC, I checked through my Oooooooold data diskettes to see if I still had it somewhere, and I do. I am adding the pertinent text here: "God Bless you abundantly! In order to make our household functions a blessing to all, we want to share these guidelines for appropriate dress at ministry events. Please contact your fellowship coordinator if you have any questions or needs. Yours in Christ, (LC Name) Limb Functions - Best Dress Men: Dark suit, blue or black. Holy Spirit Pin on right lapel. Dark or red tie, muted patterns. Dark shoes, to match suit. Ladies: Dress or suit. Two piece sets are less formal. Branch Functions Men: Light suits, jacket and slacks, and tie. Dark shoes. Ladies: Dresses or skirts and tops. Arms should not be bare. Casually nice: No jeans, no ripped clothing, no shorts, no tennis shoes. Pressed jeans and all clothing given attention to wear and stains. Household fellowship: No blue jeans, no sneakers or tennis shoes, no t-shirts with slogans. __________________ Now, according to my own final naming system, this was just an initial rough draft. I recall the final was circulated and I think I didn't bother saving it. Interestingly enough, two weeks after this was floated through the limb, a branch function was held in the H*mb**ck's home. The BC and his entire family showed up in matching track suits and brand new trainers. The rest of us were demurely attired in clothing suitable as described above. I asked the BC's wife about it afterwards. She said, "Well, these are appropriate, and they a brand new." "True," I replied. "They are new. And they're still track suits. I think the rest of us would have loved to be here on a lovely summer day in similar attire." *sigh* We were M&A'd a few weeks later. It was the best six months of my life in twi, and coincidentally, the best six months of our marriage. Things went south again after we were "welcomed back to the household". ((((to all))) who were ever made to feel little, or small, or socially inept. ~QT

Hope you've been in the birthday Mooood, Wishing you all the best, my friend. ~QT

Hmmmmm....I am unable to detach them as yet. Anyone else? ~QT

I was searching for something completely unrelated (albumin allergies, actually) and came across this article from The Psychiatric Times, March 2007 edition.... Damage to part of the brain may aid smoking cessation Damage to part of the brain may cause persons addicted to nicotine to "forget" to smoke, a recent press release from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) claims. Preliminary research showed that smokers may find it easier to quit after suffering damage to the insula. In the study, 13 of 19 smokers who had experienced brain damage resulting in lesions on the insula quit smoking. Only 19 out of 50 smokers with brain injuries not affecting the insula quit smoking. The smokers who experienced greater ease in quitting were identified based on 4 behavioral criteria: those who reported quitting smoking less than 1 day after the brain injury, those who reported that difficulty of quitting was less than 3 on a scale of 1 to 7, those who reported that they did not smoke after quitting, and those who reported no urge to smoke after quitting. Twelve of 13 participants with damage to their insula who quit smoking met these criteria, compared with only 4 of 19 participants without insula damage who quit smoking. Dr Antoine Bechara of the University of Southern California, lead author of the study, which was published in the January 26, 2007, issue of Science, explained that the insula "plays a role in the desire to smoke by anticipating physical effects brought on by emotions such as those induced by environmental cues. Thus, damage to the insula could lead smokers to feel that their bodies have 'forgotten' the urge to smoke." Dr Nora Volkow, director of NIDA, emphasized the importance of these findings. "While additional research is needed to replicate these findings, the current study suggests that damage to the insula can impact the conscious 'urge' to smoke, making it easier for smokers to quit and remain abstinent," she said. "Medications that target receptors within the insula may offer promise in developing more effective smoking cessation therapies in the future." Hmmm...does this mean all we really need is a good whack in the head? Yours frowningly-on-brain-damage, and applaudingly-on-those-who've-quit, ~QT

Birthday greetings up northwards, PB... Yours with cakeishly, ~QT

For a general test, mine was generally accurate: Wild Cat Escape Artist Back to Basics Home Soul In that order. Yours testingly, ~QT

David, My parents order 4 lambs every year from a local, organic farm. They're slaughtered, packaged and delivered to them, then they send care parcels to us kids. Maybe you can find a local supplier? I'm very much a lamb-snob and most of what is sold as lamb and ordered through stores is really mutton. Now, that said...these recipes are really lovely, I think. I'll just slip in two more, which are favorites of my kids, and the only way I can get my son to eat anything resembling meat... Shepherd's Pie And the second, Lamb Puffs, is my own recipe, so I'll just tell you how I do it, but, be flexible with it, because it's not a hard and fast mix. Lamb Puffs lamb, either ground or minced, about a pound. 1 medium carrot 2 shallots 3 cloves garlic (more if you love it) 1 T minced chives, fresh 1 T minced rosemary, fresh 2 tsp. Worcesteshire 6 oz. mushrooms (I prefer dangakes) processed fine/ stock (I make my own lamb stock, but chicken will do, or even veggie) butter puff pastry demi-glace sauce. In a little butter, or butter and olive oil mixed, sautee shallots and garlic until sauce and fragrance is released. If your lamb is already cooked, add it now and heat through. If your lamb is raw, add it and brown. Process the carrot very fine, and add. add a little stock to moisten the mixture, then add the mushrooms. Cook over medium heat until the mixture has body and tends to lump up onto a spoon. Add the herbs, stir well, remove from heat. Now, I make my own puff pastry, but, I have used those pastry shells that you can buy frozen in the store and they're just fine. So, make your puff pastry cups and bake in a 425 degree oven until risen and golden. Leave them slightly underdone...maybe 5 minutes before you'd normally take them out. Fill them with lamb mixture until they are heaped nicely, then put a little pastry cap on the top. Pop them in the oven for 6-7 minutes until the pastry is just how you like it. Top with a demi-glace sauce, drizzling it over the puff, don't make it swim. I serve these with a green salad, sauteed spinach and spaghetti squash. Yours Baaa-ingly, ~QT

That'd depend on the relative value of the item being pinched...of course, all the best in lingerie never hits the wash proper. ;) My laundry is now all finished, and so is the problem that was bugging me. I designate this a celebratory weekend! Yours empty-basketedly, ~QT

*UPDATE - and then bed* 3 barbie shoes, 1 pink, 1 purple, 1 go-go boot. 3.73 in change 2 littlest pet shop pets 2 mangled plastic soldiers my ring a shoelace bit 7 bristle blocks Can you tell I just toss the clothes in all at once? Oh, P.S. Duct - You're HIRED, man! SV - it's always an adventure :) MB - Your post indicates you do laundry. No wonder your lovely wife keeps you around ;). If that were my situation, I'd keep you too! hehe....and, all my socks always sort out in the end. Never lost a sock to the sock-monster...but there's still another load to go. Yours foldingly, QT

Ok...so... I have this really hard, stressful, ugly situation surrounding me at the moment. It's been on my mind. The laundry has not. As a direct result of this, I've been doing marathon laundry all day. The first conclusion I've reached is that we simply have too many clothes for three people, two of whom are kids. My second conclusion is that weird stuff just gets into my machine...and, yes, I'm not a super-laundry sorter. Today, thus far, and I still have 4 more loads to do, I have found the following: 2 plastic zebras 1 plastic wolf 3 rubber snakes 12 dollars in change 3 pounds 35 pence, British coins 1 spoon, plastic, for a baby doll 1 spoon, stainless steel, for a real person 2 chapsticks 1 headless G.I. Joe (the small kind) 3 identical yoda action figures and... My own plastic, credit card sized birth certificate. It's just me, isn't it. Yep, I knew it was. Yours All-Tempercheeringly, ~QT

Hello out there in the doctrinal spaces... I tend to stay out of here, but I read something on another thread that reminded me of a question I've wanted to ask, and have forgotten until now. Over on the CES and Momentus thread, Undone as part of his post referred to a recent experience like this: "In both Discovery and Breakthrough there were people from all walks of life and all levels of faith" The bold and italics are mine. What does that mean, "all levels of faith?" and does it apply across the spectrum of many faiths, or does it mean to include those new to one particular faith all the way through those whom have been around a long, long time? Does it mean people that believe a little, and others that believe a lot? I've worded this really poorly. My apologies. But, I really am curious, and have not found (not meaning it hasn't been written) answers that have helped me understand. Thanks in advance, ~QT

Hello, Another Spot! I have read your post, and while I have no practical answers, I am sure of one thing...you are welcome here at the cafe. So many people come and there's always room for another. And, I think I can say without hesitation that those here that do pray will be happy to add you to their list. There is even a prayer forum where you can ask specifically if you have concerns, too. You're in a difficult and troubling time. But, come in and sit down...the coffee's delightful (if a little strong). Take the time to get to know us better! Yours welcomingly, ~QT

< wide-eyed-innocent-stare > < sarcasm > But..but..but... Mr.Ham...it was true! I mean, you certainly couldn't go beyond what you were taught in twi...you weren't even allowed to look at other books, remember? In fact, if you did, and you proposed alternate theories, you were chastised at the very least! < /wide-eyed-innocent-stare > < /sarcasm > Seriously, though...that phrase always struck me as being surface-true and, as Wanderer says, something that "goes flat" upon closer scrutiny. It is, however, one of the phrases that sticks in my mind and every time I hear it in another context, I wince. ~QT

*hugs* CWF...really hope that goes well! ~QT

Very cool, ILBpipes! I hope you get that needed publicity boost! ~QT

I apologise, Lori, for my part. QT Wanderer, I find myself doubting many things, and even the comfort of lab-work doesn't always reassure me in the way it sometimes has in the past. You recognize "the fruit" in your life and still you question. It seems to me that it takes time to root out certain patterns of thought, even when you see contradictory evidence in your life, and it's not easy. What_the_hey makes some interesting points in terms of the free and flexible nature of thought and accountability, and has a questioning mind. All I can say is that at least when you're questioning you're thinking, and thinking implies engagement. Although we come at this question from different perspectives, I can agree that there are yet more hills to climb, and the sunrises that come with the hope of better understanding are worth the walk. Cheers, QT (and sorry for getting into the derail of your very fine thread) *editing for slip-shod typing

LOL, BOW... Maryland...*snirk* ~QT

OK...so... Rene DesCartes walks into a restaurant. He orders a lovely large dinner, and enjoys it immensely. After he finishes, the waiter asked him, "Would you care for dessert, sir?" Decartes replied, "I think not." And *poof* he disappeared! Teehee, ~QT

Hey Tater (What_the_hey -- Sorry, I tend to think of you as Darth Tater, and wouldn't want to confuse anyone), I read all of your post with great interest...and I think it is a return back to the original thrust of the thread? As long as you understand that I'm not speaking philosophically...but rather of events that happened to people, some of a criminal nature. And, it was rene des cartes who is credited with "I think, therefore I am." Which reminds me of a really bad philosophy joke, which I will go post on the appropriate thread. Thanks for your posting, Tater (What_the_hey) ~QT *edited for appropriate name usage

Well, aside from your descent into condescension and patronization, you have resorted to personal name calling and practicing medicine without a license. As many a host can affirm, you can try to host a party to which no one will come. Evade, deride, obfuscate and stab as it pleases you, Bumpy. That does not however mask the truth which is merely this...you've made an accusation and offered no proof. You've avoided answering questions and opted for attacking the person. Ah, well...as the old saying goes...some people just open their mouths and remove all doubt. ~QT

I'm a woman, Bumpy, not that it makes any difference as to my intelligence. And it's not my job to do your research for you. You began the subject. You made the statement. It is, therefore, incumbent upon you to provide the evidence. However, it may interest you to know that two journalists working for Aftenposten have no idea of these events and can find nothing upon cursory examination. That's not to say there isn't evidence. Just that these particular Norwegian journalists haven't come across any. And, while your opinions are yours and you're free to express them in any manner, I would suggest to you that your condescension has nothing to do with Christ and what you state as fact isn't. It's just your opinion. Others may differ, in fact they often do. ...and, again, I'll suggest to you that I'm Mistress of My Own Time. I'll spend it as I see fit...as I'm sure you do as well. Regards, QT *edited for spelling

ok...no one said it so, I will... Happy Birthday, Lindy...hope it was a Hoppy one! ~QT

Bumpy, I would like to respond to some of your posts. My first point is this: This is a message forum board and, frankly, one with a great deal of liberality when it comes to posting. As someone whom has had direct dealings with TWI by associating himself within their "household", it seems to me that you should know better than to toss out a salacious tidbit of information without any background information or independent verification. People involved with TWI were fed a diet of unsubstantiated claims and rumor. Much of what we experienced, as I imagine you, yourself, experienced, was the ignorance that came from having the information we were fed controlled by a small, invested group of people. This systematic deception has ignited, in some, a healthy desire for fact checking. I am not saying I don't believe you. I neither believe nor disbelieve you, since in the absence of credible sources: newspaper citation, public record of charges, or other independent source of verification makes it impossible for me to evaluate your statements. Here, for example, is an inconsistency I see in your posts. You write: "until about 1983 when the country coordinator for Norway killed two of his Norwegian believers (do you think he was possessed or was just a bad choice ?)" and then you write: "the (blonde) Way Corps girl who came to Norway the year in question was from Colorodo and her maiden initials were LP" I can see this could be interpreted in two ways: First, the girl from Colorado is one of the persons involved in this matter, and if that is so, she is not Norwegian...yet...you reference two Norwegian believers. Second, I suppose she might not have been involved and you're simply trying to show a context for your statements. Either way...an inconsistency. (Here I'm going to interject something personal. I've been a writer for a long time, Bumpy, and my native language is English...I do my best to edit out spelling errors and grammatical mistakes, but we ALL make mistakes, and your condescending correction of LikeanEagle's word "dought" when obviously "doubt" was intended was simply rude. Considering I've now seen you make spelling and grammar errors, in more than one language, I would suggest that you quit throwing that particular stone...it demeans your argument and makes you appear as though you judge the validity of someone's words by their spelling skills...n'est ce pas? You're not the grammar police, so stop it.) Now, on to other points. You say you're not surprised at the reaction, because most of us were asleep? In 1983 I was twelve years old and could no more smell the way international on my horizon than right now you can smell the scent of my shampoo. However, I've been trained to think critically, and people are most definitely not sleeping. Do you, I wonder, ever peruse with interest the goings on of small churches in, say, Pennsylvania? Because that's about the equivalent of what Norwegian news garners. You have been involved with twi long enough to know that information was always censored before being disseminated amongst believers and yet you seem to scoff because there was some expression of surprise to your claims. Pity, I would have thought you would have used better skills yourself and instead of tossing something clearly meant to be an inflammatory statement (and by inflammatory I mean simply that to cause or accelerate a conflagration), that you might have said something along the lines of, "Would it surprise you all to know that this happened, and here is my proof." My partner has been a journalist resident in Copenhagen for many years, and reports on events in Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Iceland. I've written at the International Press Center, too, and my observation is that the standard of proof there is very much the same here, so, you shouldn't be surprised. You are not a professor, or an instructor--at least, I'm not in your class--so, giving clues to where to find information is rather demeaning. If you have a claim, then make it. If you have proof, in this case public record, then offer it. I don't believe you are claiming that this is personal experience, in that, you were witness to the event, are you? I will end by saying this...the more we have learned about the organization with which we were all once involved, the more shocked and disillusioned some of us have become. It is the because of the very nature of the crimes and abuses that have been perpetrated on innocent people, Bumpy, that many of us are very careful in forming our opinions based only on a few unsubstantiated statements. If we, at grease spot, become a society which merely jumps on the twi-burning bandwagon, willing to believe anything and everything that comes down the sewer-lines of the internet, then we have simply reverted back to the habits we had cultivated whilst we were involved in the cult. The shocking and horrible truths to which I refer are based on evidence: eye-witness accounts, public record, corroborated statements. Every false or exaggerated claim diminishes the impact of every true claim. I like that sentence, so I'm going to say it again: Every false or exaggerated claim diminishes the impact of a very true claim. I was fed enough lies by the way international never to assume the diet again. If your claim, because it is murder and in all the papers as you say, has substantiation, I find it very sad that you'd rather laugh and watch people jump through hoops of your design rather than merely be forthcoming with the material. Or is it that you don't have the proof in hand, like source citations, and are simply too busy in your own life to look it up? Now, this is not a legal forum, and we're not following rules of law here...but, it seems to me that instead of being so superior in your attitude and lecturing on the supposition that "possibly you can take some productive aspects of the spiritual Word knowledge you aquired and shape a better life for yourselves?" , you might just try cutting the rest of us some slack. You're not qualified to comment on the quality of life of anyone here. And, I might add, we're all doing the best we can. Some of us, I should think, are of the opinion that we're doing very well, indeed. Regards, QT I'm going to change my signature line, I think, to read: Show me your data and I'll show you mine--then let's talk about the hypothesis. *edited to correct my own spelling mistakes, 'cos I ain't perfick