oldiesman

I'd be interested to know what was said. Prayer or praise?

I make the distinction that twi believers (we used to be one) believed that twi was the best, most accurate, most rightly - divided ministry out there. There is no question in my mind that I, and I think most of us, thought that. But that is different than being the ONLY group with the truth. ONLY means the ONLY SOURCE, which obviously, we were not. I rejoiced when I saw other groups teach the truth. Examples of this are many. Books by Bullinger, E.W. Kenyon, Stiles, Leonard, Cliffe, and others, groups like Leonards, and the Jehovah Witnesses, who taught truths like that twi taught. Add to this ooodles of other Christian books. I used to watch Fred Price all the time while I was in twi, and really enjoy it. Even the church of my youth teaches truth. Wordwolf if you can't see the distinction, you are either mentally retarded or engaging in spinning again. I think the latter, because you're an intelligent guy.

The way I understand it, speaking in tongues is praying in the spirit, and giving of thanks, among other things. When we pray, we not only pray for ourselves, but others as well. Speaking in tongues is speaking and praying in the spirit. What exactly is expressed one does not know since it is tongues, but God looks on the heart, and Romans says God (and/or Christ) makes intercession for the saints through the spirit according to the will of God. That is why it can be reasoned, when one speaks in tongues, one may be praying for someone.

Well I just hope you don't punish all bikers because of the blatant ones with bad manners.

Old old inaccurate spin. How can they teach they are the ONLY ones with the truth, when the teachings were a compilation of others' works that Dr. Wierwille himself admitted, when he said "lots of the stuff I teach is not original"? I suppose when he says something that doesn't fit with your theories it means nothing to you. Just ignore the parts that don't fit.

I agree jr4jc. Even tho McDonald's didn't invent the hamburger, I enjoy eating those mouth watering quarter pounders.

Yes it is quite possible that the bike was going above the speed limit. Even so, the car should look twice and if there is a bike on the road, let the bike go first unless it's way way in the distance. Not being in such a hurry is far better than having an accident. Lots of times when these things happen, the biker isn't going over the speed limit. But the driver just doesn't see the bike! Driver isn't thinking on driving but has his mind on things other than driving safely. But that's why they tell us bikers to wear conspicuous clothing, have strong lighting, beep horns, to help lessen the chances. And use the SEE method to get out of jams (S=SURVEY, E=EVALUATE, E=EXECUTE.) Expect the worst and know what to do to get out of it, if you can. :)

Thats what happens when you're addicted. :) Have a great weekend, one and all. And remember... LOOK... LOOK... AND LOOK AGAIN...

What's the most common motorcycle accident? Take Longer To Look For Bikes

goodseed, thanks much for your kind words about Don. He was a good man.

Excellent point Allan. :)

Nice to hear some kind words about VP. :P

I think it would matter yes. Depends on what material is being tweaked and how much tweaking is going on. :) :D Good to read you too. :P

Yes I agree if the teachings are the same. The more offshoots there are, teaching the same things, the more good doctrine (or evil, depending on one's point of view) becomes more readily available when there are folks willing to spread it. I'd say it's actually better, for the longevity of the doctrine, to have numerous offshoots spreading the same thing. If/when one offshoot dies or gets boring (twi?), there are others still spreading it.

I was sure, and still am, that I was speaking in tongues. B.G. Leonard Gifts of the Spirit

Believers may pray and bless others with the spirit. Here's where I believe it comes from: 1Cr 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 1Cr 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1Cr 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit ...,

That's great, but it seems you, like me, don't believe some verses you don't want to believe. Or else you don't believe they are applicable to you, such as the ones in Acts and Corinthians about SIT. Like the one in Jude about "building up yourselfs...praying in the HS." Perhaps you believe these verses applied in an earlier time but not now? Don't see the profit in them in your life? Goey, I also gather from some of your statements that you believe some O.T. scriptures apply directly to you as well and yet again at the same time you sidestep some of those in Acts and Corinthians and others. I've proceeded similarly. I don't believe verses about tithing are applicable to me. There are others as well. Well I guess it's all a matter of choice what one believes, and some of us still believe SIT and all the benefits and blessings of the 1st Century Church can apply to believers today. Here's one way J.E. Stiles put it, from page 16 of his book, "The Gift of the Holy Spirit"

If you put it that way, I really don't know. If those who knew were too uninformed or fearful to say anything: Why didn't God send angels? Why didn't Jesus appear Himself? Why didn't God manifest Himself into the senses realm, to tell us?

It has been said that some folks confronted the sinners privately, to no avail. Can you imagine someone rebuking at a public meeting? What a circus. :)

That would be for the individual to evidence for him/herself, and if someone says they are blessed by SIT, I can take them for their word. It is like being a witness, we are witnesses and share with the world what we have experienced of our relationship/fellowship with God. Folks are free to believe or disbelieve. Goey, somehow I get the feeling that if you analyzed the bible itself as critically as you are analyzing SIT, you'd become a non-believer very quickly. Nothing wrong with that... just a little odd.

I agree. I think folks have manifested fruit of the spirit without speaking in tongues.

Just because twi taught something doesn't make it unreal. As mentioned before, SIT came before twi. Perhaps if the original first century church wasn't lost, we may have had a continuation of SIT all throughout history to the present, without TWI. ...

I agree with that too. I believe that for SIT too.

As we make an effort to do the will of God as stated in the scriptures. Here's an example: Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also [do] ye. Col 3:14 And above all these things [put on] charity, which is the bond of perfectness. All of this takes work, takes an effort on our part to do it. Don't you agree?

It says "put on" the new man. That takes work, effort. "Be transformed by the renewing of your mind". I would say that God does the transforming, He works in us as we make the effort. I believe this is true of SIT as well. I think I'm a better person partly because of SIT, it helps.