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Do you KNOW that Dr. Wierwille and Craig didn't ask God for forgiveness? Do you KNOW they weren't sorrowful for their sins?

Freud, I feel compelled to pipe in here and say that Craig never raped any woman, as far as I know. If he did, you can be sure he'd be in jail. The website that Belle referenced was started by the husband of a woman who at one time was an employee of TWI, and Craig approached this employee for sex, and the woman didn't say no, like some others did. She claimed in court papers that she "couldn't say no", a statement that I do not believe, and a statement that was never proven in a court of law. Some people falsely call what Craig did rape, but I don't believe it ... I call it sexual harassment. Be that as it may, folks are entitled to be represented correctly, even Craig Martindale.

I believe it is a matter of individual decision and contemplation. Not having had a wooden or silver cross around, didn't mean (or doesn't now mean) I disrespect or belittle the cross Christ bore.

Relax Rascal. Folks are entitled to their opinions, even folks who don't agree with yours.

You won't get attacked by me. Good post...

Golly that's for sure. CK thanks for being honest and sharing your opinions. It's obvious some folks just won't tolerate differing opinions...

I agree, it was about believing the Word of God that Dr. Wierwille was teaching. All those who chose not to believe, left. This concept is not different from many religions who stick with their own ideology and interpretations and those who disagree or cannot accept those ideologies, leave. The church of my youth is like that, among others.

Welcome Freud and thanks for posting.

That God loves me despite my sins (the palms of God)... How to get born again... That I have sonship rights... That I am completely completely absolutely complete in Him... My power of attorney... God wants me to hold fast that which is good... God wants me free from fear worry doubt anxiety and all matter of oppression... Speaking in tongues... Jesus Christ is the Way Truth & Life, no man cometh to God but by him... There is One Baptism by Holy Spirit and water baptism is not required for salvation... Jesus Christ is the Son of God, not God the Son... I am As He Is... Jesus Kept the Passover... Whatever a Person Believes Is Directly Reflected In What He Confesses... Simon of Cyrene and the Cross Christ Bore... God wants me to believe all the benefits He has promised me thru Christ... Pauls Thorn in the Flesh... Ekklesia: Bride or Body? God is our Sufficiency... Church the Great Mystery Revealed, Christ in You, the hope of glory... The Bondage of the Sabbath Day.... Body, Soul, Spirit... The Unqualified Commitment... How to be a Christian... What true worship is... Filled to Overflowing.... Why Division... The Final Victory... Did I leave anything out? :)

As I see it, because Wierwille also did good things with the knowledge he learned, and folks needed and needing to hear the Word of God as set forth by Dr. Wierwille. Can't think of a reason other than that... not because of Wierwille's goodness, but has to be God's grace, and VP answering the call. I believe folks need to hear these things still even today ... as long as false doctrine is still being taught and folks are still walking in darkness. Let it be taught and let folks decide if they agree with it, just like we did. Why didn't God find somebody else who walked circumspectly or more circumspectly? He did. As we know, lots of the stuff VP taught was not original, so God found folks already, but I didn't hear the Word from those folks, I heard it through Dr.'s ministry and others affiliated with twi. So I am loathe to kick him or them in the teeth and slap God in the face because of the sins of Wierwille and others. God will deal with the judgment of those sins. I came from a background where the Word was virtually non existent, hacked to pieces to have any real meaning for me. The religion of my youth. I wore a scapula so Mary would pray for me to help me be blessed, maybe. I can't tell you how thankful I am to be rescued from that moronic garbage. But God says his Word will accomplish that which He pleases and shall prosper in the thing whereto He sent it.

That happened on one of my posts too. I used the term .... cat and it came out wimp cat. Haven't had much time to post this week, but count me in with Johniam, Allan & Jonny Lingo, etc. Attaboy Jonny.

You can speak for yourself Mark, but certainly not for me and thousands of others. Yeah I disagree, and God bless you too.

I wouldn't fake it for at least the one simple reason, that I wouldn't be able to prove to *myself* that it was real, let alone anyone else.

Oh well, since Mark is a prophet and he says thousands in twi are tricked into idolatry who am I to argue? I'm glad your God is the real one Coolwaters. God bless you.

No. I was dismissed from the Way Corps but stayed in twi until 1991, when I stopped attending fellowship voluntarily. But today, I wouldn't mind fellowshipping every once in a while if the fellowships weren't so far away. These folks aren't devils, they are our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Still a false accusation Mark. Your blanket once-size-fits all condemnation of thousands of people is ungodly.

This is not only a condemnation of Wierwille, but thousands who are being falsely accused of idolatry.

Sounds like my twi experience. :)

I don't know. Hosea 4:6 says "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" When I was a young lad, maybe there was some love in the church of my youth, but certainly the knowledge I was assimilating just wasn't cutting it. I made sure I had my scapula on to be hopeful Mary'd pray for me. No guarantees of being God's child or even entering the kingdom. Some of you know the drill. Ex10, I second your thoughts about John Lynn...

Second James, Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I called STFI offices to help clear up this confusion, and had a nice chat with Jeff, who explained what's happening. Apparently the letter I received in the mail, did not contain a "gold flyer" that listed the choice about STFI "considering" free distribution. Whether that was an error on their part or an intentional omission, I do not know. But bottom line, it costs them $5,000 a month to distribute the magazine, and they feel the financial need to quit sending it to folks who have been receiving it for some time for free but who do not make donations. Folks like me. Apparently they want folks like me to either spit or get off the pot, that if we like the magazine, then distribute some loot, to help pay for it. If not, the magazine is still available via email, for free. Ya see since March 2002 I have been receiving this magazine for free and they cant afford to keep on subsidizing tightwads like me. But let's say someone who never heard of STFI wants to receive the magazine for free, .... they WILL send it for free for 6-9 months (as per Jeff's information to me), and then at that time, they will ask for a donation. ******************** I still feel the same way... I think they could print it less fancy, and perhaps distribute it for free without having to ask for contributions. But that's their call... it's their money.

And that we all will be living with God Himself, and Jesus, in the New Jerusalem, God's City. We will be able to see God Himself, somehow. (Rev. 21:3) I think that's so cool. :)

Jkboehme, Are you able to post a copy of the transcript of the proceedings?

I like that. In order to establish judgment and perspective, I believe both are necessary.

The article link I posted is talking about the current invasion, not the Gulf War, which was not U.S. invasion of Iraq, but a military action to get Iraq troops out of Kuwait. I don't "know" it, but I believe it is a strong possibility based upon the ongoing U.S. tradition of protecting Israeli interests. Evidence indicates they were there at one time, but Saddam moved/destroyed them, but then led U.S. and others to believe they were still there.Had the U.S. / Bush believed that Saddam not had the weapons, I don't think Bush would have ordered the invasion. I do believe a large part of the Gulf War was about oil, but I believe it had a dual purpose too in protecting Israel. Who were firing the Patriot Missiles at the Skuds? With respect to the current invasion, the fact that Mr. Zelikow was there consulting with the administration with folks making decisions on these things, and even willing to speak up about it which is so rare, should open some eyes.

I remember something about the guy who attacked Rather asked him "Kenneth what's the frequency?" :) I don't remember too well but my incident happened early 1980's or sometime around then.