oldiesman

JoyfulSoul, wish you would stay.

Might as well share my story; perhaps did years ago here it is again, briefly: Got off the Metro-North train at Grand Central from Poughkeepsie for my daily grind at 45 Rockefeller Plaza, about 5 miles north of the battery and Ground Zero. Walking to work about a mile away, nothing unusual. Arrive at the office and one of the partners of the firm wave me over to the television and says that a plane hit one of the towers. As we were watching the news report, the second plane hit...and we saw it live on the tv screen. It was astonishing. As we were talking about the first plane hit, we thought it was possibly an error. But after the second hit, we realized it was a planned attack. After a bit, I looked outside the window and looking south, saw all the black smoke. After about I think a couple of hours, they closed the building completely and evacuated everyone, and this wasn't the only building that was shut down that day. And unbeknowst to me at the moment, the city also shut down Metro North for a few hours. So, everybody outside had nowhere to go and literally were open to aerial attack.

JoyfulSoul, here's another potential jewel for you: https://www.amazon.com/Stevie-Love-Child-vinyl-record/dp/B00Q525DWC Looks rare... better snatch it up before I do. LOL.

You're right that's strange, they were prominent in the early years. Here's a book by Dorothy Owens: https://store.theway.org/store/just-the-way-it-was/ I never knew of or met the folks on #9 of the list.

JoyfulSoul, thx for posting. Ahhh those memories... coming home from Amarillo Tx my first year of WOW, then onto Emporia for the 6th Corps. Lots of familiar faces to me here, and important to remember Ed and Marian, believers from the Bronx, at 13:37 carrying the load of toilet paper.

Hi Joe, I think you're referring to the "Word of Faith" movement? The link below is a little more narrative about it and exposes it as gravely wrong thinking/believing. Says it was promoted by E.W. Kenyon... although there were others. https://www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html I have to catch myself doing the "name it and claim it" routine... it's still so ingrained in my head and a very bad habit. It could have elements of "the sin of presumption" which is a big no-no in the catholic church. Part of the healing process for me, has been to read and memorize catholic prayers... Thx for posting this.

I think I see what you mean and the issue is complex for sure. (Bold print above.) I had a good friend who is now deceased, Al, who believed that every person is born with God's will in their heart, irrespective of whether they're born again or not. The conscience to do good works, if you will. The bible teaches this too, in Romans. Charity I'm going to shorten my response here and ask that you listen to the link below a couple of times and see if it makes sense to you relating to this discussion. https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/how-is-the-law-written-on-every-heart

Agree in part. Assuming that death is the natural end of one's existence, eternal nothingness cannot be unpleasant. But is it very bad? Well, I would say that to the believer it's very tragic and sad, if there's a whole world of souls living eternally with God while simultaneously there's a whole world that is not. But perhaps we may agree on one thing: that universal salvation (the belief that everyone will eventually be saved no matter what they believe and/or do) is not the truth?

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Agree. I think we'd have to try each one to understand each... and understanding only one may take up to a year or even more. I'm still trying to understand the traditional latin mass. One thing I do believe: each religion has some truth and biblical principle, and even atheism has some too, as in loving and kindness to your fellow man.

Agree. I've read some definitions of it and appears quite "spiritual" in the sense of doing good for your friends and neighbors as a duty.

Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to (softly) challenge them on belief(s) you hold that challenges their narrative. LOL...

VPW suggested that. VPW said of PFAL "try it.. if it works for you, you have an answer, if not, kick it." But like ALL other religions, TWI has and have inviolate positions and interpretations that make it difficult if not impossible to believe something contrary. Stray from the narrative and you will be out quicker than a fly on s.... They aren't open to change, LIKE ANY OTHER RELIGION. I personally experienced this in TWI through the tithing teaching when I questioned them up and down on it, they were unmovable, and ready to defend the VPW narrative to the end. I really and truly wish I can say they wanted us to read, study and interpret the bible for ourselves but my experience differs. And don't think for a minute that the Catholic Church doesn't do likewise. How long do you think I'd last there if I preach PFAL there? LOL x 2 ...

This has been my experience as well, the last few years attending mass. No legalism. No compulsion. Haven't heard a peep about "tithing", "abundant sharing".... although it's always "available" when folks come around. Nobody watches you to see if you're giving. Nobody cares.

I think we may be able to discuss him and his message if we keep it about biblical matters and not political. Biblical would be 'old covenant' vs. 'new covenant'. etc. etc. Admittedly, Baldwin does talk politics a lot during his sermons.. so it will have to be the moderator call to allow it or not. Whatever Raf decides is ok with me. Thx.

I do. And my rebound into Catholicism helps me to examine and critique my steps all the more.