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I would have felt terrible, but I wouldn't have blamed twi. I would have blamed the perpetrators of the crime. And as Top pointed out, this type of thing could have happened in or out of twi. Twi did not perpetuate this crime... they facilitated Top to strive to be her best in the corps, I believe that was the heart behind the corps.... not her having evils befall her. You say we all need to find compassion and mercy, but you yourself show little if none toward your twi brethren, so who are you to preach? Depends on the facts of the situation.

Turn on defroster? Don't know what you mean. I think the only defroster I own is in the microwave when I defrost meat.

Please don't put words in my mouth, Watered Garden. Drugs are always wrong. I've consistently held the position that those who were narcotized were victims.

Folks who are able to tolerate opinions other than their own have no problem with my posts.

I think the opposite is the case. Some posters have the unrelenting mindset for blaming twi for most everything bad that happened to a participant, while in twi. TWI is always guilty, or nearly always guilty. It is always their fault. Well, I think that mindset is skewed, biased, unmerciful, and unChristian, and I am glad I think differently.

A respectible mission for all of us.

I might offer the same challenge -- see how far your perpetual allegations of alleged crimes at the hands of twi implementing its corps program go in a court of law.

One question I ask would be: How noble is it to sue for something one has willingly accepted? I would opine that that would indicate a total lack of responsibility and/or of owning up to one's own decisions and actions, on the part of the suer. Finger pointing blame. It's always someone else's fault, in this case twi.

What they're writing today is pretty interesting.

Victim mentality communication gobbledygook. Stay home and be safe.

And then you have something else to blame twi for. *clears throat*

QT, I can't speak for Johniam, but I need the facts of a particular situation first before giving an opinion. Regarding hitchhiking, I personally do not believe hitchhiking was particularly dangerous in and of itself. I suppose it can prove to be dangerous if something goes amiss, just like anything else. It can be dangerous driving a car, or just walking down the street, depending on the circumstances. Being in the world, one may die or suffer consequences in a whole host of different ways and means. I think just because an act may be perilous, or risky, doesn't necessarily mean one shouldn't try it ... but again, that's for the individual to decide. But in the corps folks couldn't make up their own rules and knew that going in. It was/is a training program... designed to challenge and expand one's abilities.

But you still had a choice, to hitchhike, or not to hitchhike and go home. The corps had some downright challenging stuff. Lots of us spiritual partners knew that it was intense training, which was why we financially supported folks like you who agreed to do it. But don't tell me you were forced please ... you had a choice.

VMP is Victim Mentality Propaganda, a mindset that you and some others engage in repeatedly, against all that is twi. Portray everyone as helpless victims of Wierwille and twi. That's it, in a nutshell. Wordwolf, because of your corrupt and hateful thinking of all that is twi, your analysis is biased, and your hatred continues to corrupt you.

Evil thoughts and ways are intricately part of your thoughts and emotions which is why that is all you see. This is your own personal bias. Ooodles of folks did fine without going corps and were thought of as God's best. You are off the wall ... manufacturing a supposed reality that didn't exist except in your own mind and perhaps some others. Ooops I shouldn't think that was a lie should I. :o

Folks who hitchhiked, freely availed themselves to hitchhike, dangerous or not. TWI didn't make people hitchhike. TWI didn't force people to go corps. Good lawd, I am so vehemenently opposed to VMP.

I will be happy to, if and when I respond to any of your comments and the time frame in which you are speaking.

Probably not... I opine that they probably view their relationship with participants as no more than a 50/50 partnership responsibility between them and the participant, and any screw ups that may be asserted to be "their fault" might be viewed no more than 50% their fault at most, and at least 50% fault of the participant, since their probable view of a twi participant is that they "freely availed" themselves to participate.

Wordwolf, it's Friday.

I see what you're saying doojable, but I still wouldn't call them twi policies, even "unwritten" policies. Happenings and experiences yes, but not necessarily twi policies. Oodles of things happened with corps grads and those "in the know" that weren't necessarily twi policies. I gave you an example above. I am in full agreement with you that it would help if folks qualified their experience to the specific time period they are recollecting. But even still, I still feel that an experience or tradition doesn't necessarily mean it was a twi "policy."

So your position is that because the bible doesn't say he tithed a second time, that means he didn't?

I don't know. Does the bible say that Abraham just tithed once and didn't tithe again?

waysider, had I ever heard anyone from twi imply that SIT was a requirement for salvation, I probably would have done just what doojable did, speak up about it. The matter was so clear in PFAL. Now if some individual wants to believe within their own thought processes that a person they know isn't saved and since they didn't hear them speak in tongues, it only corroborates their belief... well.. that's up to that person. But twi didn't teach that as doctrine. I don't care if the person who believes it is 4th corps, they are still wrong. That was the individual having his own thoughts on the matter. twi taught that SIT proves one is saved; they didn't teach that the absence of SIT proves one is unsaved. Thanks LornaDoone.

doojable, that's fine. But at the same time, it's really not a twi policy then... all it seems to be is one person's tradition of doing things, and maybe other folks are doing it too. But if we want to find out exactly what a twi policy is, we need to go to hq to find out, and get it in writing. Here's an example: I was out WOW, and was bothered by the fact that the limb coordinator was setting dates for PFAL classes. I thought it'd be better and more honest if we set a date after we signed up enough folks. What'd happen more than once, a date would be set and we would try to get folks signed up but wouldn't get enough, then the class would be cancelled. I thought that was dishonest and reflected bad on myself, telling folks something and not following thru, and look bad for twi that it was cancelling these classes. We weren't being honest with folks. Now here's the question: was it a twi policy to set dates for Pfal BEFORE enough folks were signed up for it? Yes it was a practice. But is it fair to call that a twi policy? I wrote hq, the Trunk Office, and at that time Ralph D. was the trunk coordinator. Here are excerpts of the response I got back from him: The way I see this situation, the limb coordinator of that state was not following twi policy, even tho' this guy and his wife was an established corps grad, been around for years and years, and supposedly was representing twi in this matter. He wasn't. So you see, I feel you must contact hq to find out what their policy is. To be fair, just because folks follow a tradition doesn't necessarily mean it's twi policy.

Bliss, that was taught in twi as well. I remember hearing it... like folks who think they have protection from a speeding ticket going 100 mph on the highway as long as they're "believing". No go. twi taught that that was tempting God and not covered by believing. All such acts would only be covered if one had revelation to do so... something unlikely unless extraordinary circumstances. Remember Athletes, reckless and hilarious devil spirits? same deal. tempting God....