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Yes indeed, that was the option that was there from God and thousands of folks benefitted from it, even though a flawed human being communicated it. Yes, God was aware. He also knew that King Solomon was headed toward some of the most vile idolatrous behavior imaginable after he received Proverbs. Yet, God had Solomon write Proverbs, for those of us who believe it. God's love and grace is so big that he communicates his Word through sinners like us.

Yes he's my cat Woody. He wishes everyone a happy new year.

They must be nuts.

Happy New Year Raffy. :)

aw shucks, thank you. :P

I'm not answering any trick questions. :)

WOW what an easy question. :) God's Word is truth and that's where VP got it from. Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. -and- 1Ki 17:24 And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou [art] a man of God, [and] that the word of the LORD in thy mouth [is] truth.

Hi Danny. Happy New Year and best wishes in 2007. :)

Ok all you wizards consider this: Excerpted from "Gifts of the Spirit" Rev. B.G. Leonard p. 33

OK Coolwaters, ya got me. I know nothing about Tamar. Please share the story of Tamar.

Every major truth of significant proportions that is set forth in the gospels is adequately covered in the epistles so I really don't know what your beef is.

Which is another way of saying salvation by works.

This is not accurate. TWI did not teach an eschewing of the gospels. What kind of stinking horse manure are you trying to communicate now? The foundational premise of your argument is wrong, therefore what follows will be erroneous and fall under evil surmisings. So what else is new? BTW I think the greatest truth Jesus taught in the gospels is the first and great commandment, which was wonderfully and bountifully expounded upon in Paul's writings, which truth was and is the foundation of all the major truths in the epistles.

Just because YOU eschewed the gospels and missed great truths from there and the old testament, doesn't mean everyone else did. Twi taught tremendous truths from the old testament and gospels. Did you burn all your twi materials so you can't read them again? But I agree with Mark's explanation of our great zeal of the epistles. Has to do with the 7 administrations and what was written "to" the church.

Depends on the individual. I don't see this as a "one-size-fit-all" occurrence. But, I do like the terminology that it was "allowed" by the recipient. Some of us never tolerated any micro-management or tolerated it at different times. At times I did, at times I didn't. Oh yes they do. Just try to go in and change any mainstream church's doctrines or practice. Really try. They will ask you to leave, and if you push it, you'll be accused of heresy.

How do you know he won't accept it?

I dare you to call him and tell him that.

WhiteDove, I'm in complete agreement with you regarding CES/STF "talking to Jesus" doctrine.

I think JAL's response here is quite good. And he's left an open invitation to those who require a detailed inquiry into his personal life to contact him directly. What more can you ask for? To me this seems much better than backbiting the guy.

Not a bad idea. I think its best to hear all sides before making a definitive judgment.

Ok, maybe we can agree that half were. Kenyon & Bullinger was; Stiles & Leonard wasn't. BUT, the only way I knew about Stiles & Leonard was thru Wierwille. Do thieves usually volunteer the names of those they stole from? INTENT.... INTENT....

Hi ROW. You question is a serious one and you know what, I don't think he had the intent to deceive people. Others disagree but that's what I think. I want to mention why I don't think he had INTENT... Consider the following: If Dr. Wierwille had INTENT to deceive and steal others' works for the INTENT of wanting everyone to believe that all his teachings came from him EXCLUSIVELY; why then, did he state, and have published in 1972 "lots of the stuff I teach is not original"? why did he have published that he "learned from men of God scattered across the continent"? why would he on numerous multi- occasions, verbally, mention that he learned concepts from various men and women that he taught later on? why would he have, for ALL TO SEE, most of the books that contain MAJOR TEACHINGS of his, in the WAY BOOKSTORE? Even giving a person's name where he learned from is poor thievery. Why even mention them, if stealing is one's INTENT? I would imagine that one of the greatest satisfactions of a thief, would be to steal the goods while simultaneously hiding "where he got the goods from", don't you think?

I agree Jonny. The Drambuie is on me. How about a swig of Vic's Egg Nog? May I also add that I believe that they'll work out their current problems and abandon the past mistakes, and as a result be even better than before.

We're back on topic now.