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Well when they found out why I was dismissed, which was about a day after arriving home, there was nothing much to do. If you knew what I did, you'd agree, there are no excuses, no blame, no finger pointing. I blew it.

Well that's pretty easy to answer. I really did receive great learning from PFAL and twig, my two WOW years, and thought that TWI was the best fellowship around. I was involved in some very good fellowships with some great people. Also, since my entire family was involved in twi, it was easy for me to hang out for years I suppose.

The way Excathedra describes the story, she wasn't in very long, before VPW exposes himself to her. Doesn't seem like she was chosen very carefully there. She wasn't in TWI long at all. Why didn't she just leave after witnessing that disgusting display? In fact, contrary to VPW choosing her, it appears SHE chose HIM!

Calm down Tom, my question was a legitimate one. So then when Dr. Wierwille exposed himself to Excathedra, she couldn't leave at that point because TWI was a mind controlling cult?

Mr. Hammeroni, apples and oranges, her situation and mine was totally different. I was dismissed from the 6 corps for doing bad stuff. The dismissal by Craig was justified, although at the time, I thought it was unfair. It wasn't. I shouldn't have been there.

Excathedra, after Dr. Wierwille exposed himself to you, why did you hang around The Way International and Dr. Wierwille for years and years after?

Me too Jean. For the first time in my life, the Bible made sense. :)

Another big thing I learned in PFAL was the greatness of Speaking in Tongues. I spoke in tongues around a month before first taking PFAL, and the experience was exhilarating. It was terrific experience that words can't describe. I asked God to fill me with the holy spirit, and I asked Jesus to be my Lord, and I believed God raised him from the dead. I stepped out on believing, and spoke in tongues. First one syllable, then two, then a whole bunch. Even today I speak in tongues, and it is an ever-present reminder to me of the inward presence of the holy spirit.

I hear ya. Heck, its even more than just comforting. During my "in and out" years in twi, knowing and believing that one truth helped me reason within myself that no matter whether I fellowshipped in twi or not, I was beloved of God, and blessed for all time.

One of the greatest things I learned in PFAL, was that I was born again, heaven bound and all hell can't stop me from going. Sealed with holy spirit. Born a new creature, in Christ. That God wouldn't (and in fact COULDN'T) disown me, because of my sins. That I will ALWAYS be His child. This is comforting.

Jonny please use larger fonts, I can't see. :) Should we write about the benefits of PFAL, or other stuff? And where the "h" is doreen?

Sorry Catcup, but the facts don't support you in this case.

Did Solomon repent of his sins?

And don't forget, some posters are accusing Dr. Wierwille of raping this girl "M". She freely goes back a second time and Wierwille gets accused of RAPE. Adultery yes. He was wrong. But please call it what it was.

I wouldn't call it worship, that is a false accusation; but am thankful for their efforts. I didn't realize Catcup that you are no longer are involved in CFF, personally. That may actually encourage more people to attend.

That's mighty Christian of you, Catcup. You and Sunesis make a great tag team. Am also wondering, if you really think, deep down, of CFF leaders and teachers as pigs and wusses for still respecting Wierwille and PFAL.

Sunesis, we never met each other. But I did go to some of your brothers' fellowships in Manhattan. You're entitled to your opinion, but I think it'd be good for both of us if we discussed some things privately.

Wow, now that's a bit of spin. Who is "we"? Do you speak for all twi and ex twi?

Sunesis, you are free to call me anytime, or communicate with me anytime at any venue and discuss. Even face to face. That's if you have the courage to reveal yourself.

I never met B.G. Leonard and probably wouldn't know a thing about the man if it hadn't been for twi. I am thankful for his stand too.

I believe both were involved in blessings; God, and the organization and its participants. Just like CFF... Well I don't know. If this were true and the proper way to think in this day and time, would CFF still be teaching ooodles of Wierwillianiams?

VP screwed her after she came back a second time, a day after she was drugged. She was not under the influence of drugs the second time. Am I missing something?

It wasn't the BG Leonard ministry where some folks got their help, it was twi. Nothing wrong with BG Leonard ministry, but it sounds like you're trying to exclude twi from the body of Christ. And yes, Dr. Wierwille was part of the Body of Christ. Just ask CFF...

There is no question in my mind that PFAL teaches biblical truths, which ARE on the level of scripture. While I don't believe all (all without exception) are biblical truth, a lot of it is. Which yes, means that I believe Dr. Wierwille did have excellent spiritual understanding, despite his sins. Just like King Solomon. Let's be honest. If you and others who condemn Wierwille and PFAL spent time examining and studying Solomon's sins, and really take his repugnant acts to heart, like you do Wierwille's repugnant acts, you would find the Book of Proverbs repugnant to read. You don't. Because your entire focus is on the sins of Wierwille, which is why you find PFAL repugnant and can't stand it when folks post good things about it.

WhiteDove, we are on the same page here. I agree. BTW, why do some posters say that M was raped? According to the story, she wasn't. VP said "I didn't screw you, but it wouldn't have hurt you if I had." VP didn't screw her, but he gets accused of it, anyway. SORRY for the derail... i'm just as guilty now.