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Evidence that she puts her wealth ahead of God in her life? I haven't seen any. Just because she makes a lot of money doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't put God first and seek His kingdom first. What she does with the money, i.e., she should give to the congregents, she should give to the poor, etc. is her business on how she spends her money. If she declines to give her money to the congregants or poor, what does that mean? God knows. But it is her money, how she spends it is her business. Having said that, I'm not opposed to the legal challenges made in favor of tax payments. As much as I dislike taxes, if it is proven legally that according to U.S. law her ministry should be paying taxes, then she should abide within the U.S. law. She's paying the taxes under protest but legally challenging it, which is her right.

Victor's Egg Nog. :) Makes Eight six ounce servings: Enjoy! 8 ounces Drambuie 1 quart whole milk 1/2 teaspoon ground allspice 4 eggs 1 teaspoon vanilla extract 1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon Freshly grated nutmeg for garnish Break eggs into large bowl and whisk until frothy. Add Drambuie, vanilla, cinnamon, and allspice; whisk to combine. Slowly add milk whisking until thoroughly mixed. Pour into glasses; sprinkle on the nutmeg.

The way I see it, it isn't the accumulation of wealth that matters, but how one uses it. Money is not the root of all evil; it is "the love of money" that is the root of all evil. Does Joyce Meyers put wealth ahead of God? Is wealth her God? This is what Jesus was warning against... not that one has wealth but does it keep one away from God. In Joyce Meyers case I haven't seen any evidence of same.

Right on, WG! Spiritual truth stands despite the alleged "fleshly disposition and carnality" of the communicator.

Golly, that sounds just like something I would say about VP... :o :D

Edi I love your stuff. "if you don't like it kick me out." Advanced Class, March 1978 at Virginia Beach, VA, as I recall there was some sort of a public question and answer session and a woman got up and asked Craig a question. (Dr. Wierwille was running the class and Craig was his assistant). Craig answered the question, and Wierwille hammered him about the answer he gave. Sorry but I can't remember any more about that story other than getting the impression that it was part of a training process.

Thanks for the clarification. It just seemed like you were blaming folks like me for your lack of faith, when it appears to be something else entirely.

Left the Way or left the Faith?

I wasn't scared Danny. In fact, one of the first things I actually thought about after reading your post about the sex crimes unit breaking down my door, were dollar signs if this event actually occurred. Let the sex crimes unit break down my door, confiscate all my personal belongings, arrest me and throw me in jail, find nothing, and inform me that they took this action based upon the picture that was painted of me by posts from this thread of yours Danny. I would hate to think that a brother in Christ or frankly anyone else would figure prominently in a lawsuit filed by me. But if some posters continue on the present discourse of personal attack and character assassination as demonstrated in this thread, and if an event like a break-in and confiscation of my personal property and false imprisonment from the government ever were to actually occur; some of the posters here may be in deep more than they may ever realize.

Nicole, This statement can be tough medicine, but I believe it is good wisdom to live by.

Thanks for your help Goey. And I have already apologized for making that statement.

I'll send you a few La Shantas instead.

I think it was more like an adaptation. :)

Nicole, Welcome to GS Cafe. Your sentiment demonstrates once again that the vile acts of so few have not overshadowed the good deeds of so many. Please stay and share more. :)

Thanks for letting me know PAW, I had no idea about that. I'm sure you will work this out and do the right thing.

That may be someones rationale, but personally, I always thought that was a weak argument for the females to use, or to proclaim on behalf of the females. It simply shifts all blame to someone else, in this case VPW. Is that fair? "Because Dr. Wierwille says its ok and didn't teach me otherwise, then it is ok" Oh really? Let's be frank ... adults , know that adultery is wrong. We all learn this from our parents, from our Judeo-Christian society, from marriage, from our traditions, from our family and friends, from our own study of the bible; Consider a possible scenario on Judgment Day; Jesus: "why dear woman did you commit adultery with Dr. Wierwille" Woman: "because I was taught contrary to God's Word that this would bless the man of God" Jesus: "you mean you didn't know that adultery was wrong"? "you didn't know Victor was a married man?" Woman: "but Victor told me that it was ok and didn't teach me otherwise" Jesus: "well then that must make it all ok" *************************** Simply put, although VPW is guilty for his sins regardless (as we all are), I believe in individual moral accountability and responsibility for every adults' choices.

I have great respect for the moderators. They have done an excellent job. But I still want Larry back. :)

I'd like to see Larry receive his full posting privileges back. Any comments?

No. But because of most of the women consenting; it facilitated his adultery. They participated in it, helped it along, encouraged it, gave it wings. Desiring to "bless the man of God". Mrs. Wierwille --- I suppose she could have blasted the whole thing wide open; don't know why she didn't other than remaining silent for the sake of the entire ministry staying afloat. I'd bet my last dollar that she believed the ministry was of God and didn't want the ministry to be blamed.

I believe that too. What I was taught in all my time in twi has nothing to do with heinous actions of Wierwille or anyone else.

It is my understanding that Larry's posts are getting screened, monitored, before they appear. This happened as I understand it, because the moderators thought that Larry was engaging in personal attacks. If my suspicion is correct, Larry would like to be treated like every other poster here, with no double standards. i.e, if he gets monitored because of personal attack, then other posters who engage in personal attack, should also be monitored. or, since other posters engage in personal attack and their posts are not getting monitored before they appear, neither should Larry's. Seems fair to me...

Groucho, you and others are correct, I am not a spokesman for all men and should not have written that. My apologies to all, for the blanket statement "any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay." Sorry, please forgive. Although I'd like to discuss this topic of "male sexual nature" in the future. I think it would be profitable. But right now its just seems too controversial and I can do without all the personal attacks and vitriol. Hopefully will start a thread on it in the future and maybe it can be reasonably discussed. :)

I define young women as adult women , as in twi when they had sex with Wierwille. Am not talking about kids. This may be just too controversial for some folks, so striking back is their only option, it would seem. OK, I guess I'll just have to abandon this thread if this topic can't be discussed without personal attacks.

They say Viagra works for some women too. But no, its not ok for a Christian minister to commit adultery, even if he did that as a gesture to loosen someone up sexually. I am not talking about behavior, I am talking about fantasy and the male sexual desire. Maybe your husband and sons never told you their innermost thoughts and desires, did that ever cross you mind?

A real Dr. would tell me I'm a normal man. Can't you discuss the issue without resorting to personal attacks and character assassinations? Danny, so you do not fantasize about young women, ever? Be honest now -- its nothing to be ashamed of. Its part of who we are as American males.