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Blanket putdowns like this, a one-size-fits-all remark should be challenged. Not only because it seems condescending and smug but also because it may be inaccurate. I would challenge it, and say that one may be sold out to a ministry AND sold out to Jesus Christ, all at the same time. Look at what the Word says; You see , one may be a servant of a master (twi) and a servant of the Lord all at the same time. It all depends on the mindset of the one making the decision.

I didn't say it was true nor do I believe it. All I said was that he was/is hated and was thought of as the Antichrist. Don't believe me, check this out : 666

I trow not. I really wish that were true, but any politician especially one with presidential aspirations, will be labelled as anti-Semitic who dares to threaten the continuous flow of $billions from U.S. to Israel.

Dr Wierwille said on numerous occasions "its not what VP Wierwille says, but what does the Word say." He made that quite clear; so simple, that a fool need not err therein.

I think the U.S. is shelling out way way too much over the years. Rampant Big Government Spending is not good for the U.S. taxpayer. Here's an excerpt from the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs:

There are people who hated Ronald Reagan and would compare him to the Antichrist. I worked with one of them. One time, she told me that Reagan was the Antichrist, and she believed it! She said one reason was "because just look at his name, it represents 666". R-O-N-A-L D = 6 W-I-L-S-O-N = 6 R-E-A-G-A-N = 6

I have to disagree on that one Dan. There's an abundance of information, especially for someone who longs to know that "The Word of God is the Will of God". I have a tremendous abiding respect for the bible and its characters because of VP's classes. VP does a great job teaching with enthusiasm on that one point alone.

Thanks for that information Mike. I would add that in addition to all this VP didn't like the idea of the U.S. sending billions of $$$ to Israel every year .

Yes I see that. It didn't bother me, being a salesman for PFAL , seeing it contained many wonderful truths about God and Jesus. I think about what the Word says about "whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached, and therein I rejoice"... I thought it was (and still is!) a decent starting point. Wouldn't it be great if PFAL was on internet free of charge.

For me the following came to pass: Makes Life Meaningful Explains Apparent Bible Contradictions Develops More Harmony in the Home Enables You to Separate Truth from Error Teaches How to Pray Effectively The other claims came to pass but not necessarily from PFAL, so I don't count those.

Yeah but I thought the Proverbs of Solomon is the Word of God and the Word of God is truth? You know, Holy Men of God Spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit? That a little bigger than "generally true" wouldn't you think?

Go to now Skyrider, its FRIDAY. Live and let live. :)

And if the Way ministry hated Jews, I wouldn't have hung around for 19 years. Folks I fellowshipped with, and folk who I studied with and under, came from Jewish heritage.

You are entitled to your opinion but if VP were actually anti-Semitic he wouldn't have welcomed Jews to the ministry. IF he were anti-Black, he wouldn't have welcomed blacks. Politically speaking, I think that label is thrown around way too much and is used as a pretext to keep the billions flowing to Israel. Politicians are deathly afraid to be labelled that way so they just shut up and go with the program.

Its stoopid to think that folks should abandon spiritual truths that are assimilated believed and received only because of the sins of the communicator. The guy who authored Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon, caused people to worship other gods and sacrifice their living babies to these false gods. People who want to continue to read and learn from these texts are stupid?

I would say that the ideas and images are pretty much the same. Jesus said "believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them"; "give, and it shall be given unto you" etc etc. I can't say it was a law that works like gravity; but a spiritual law, one that works, if one meets the conditions that God has asked. But its not like gravity because it is a spiritual law and might not be readily apparent or manifested like a physical law. In my mind, I substitute the word "law" for "truth". It is a spiritual truth. To me, the important thing is whether it is true or not, not whether it is a law or not.

I think VP's motive was economic and political. Which by the way was probably a stupid move because it was The Word the Word and nothing but the Word ... But yeah, I don't think he liked that the U.S. was (and still is) yearly shelling out $3-4 billion on Israel. He believed the Holocaust was used as a pretext to do that. " They are perpetual victims so let's keep shelling out billions for them. " And so forth.

So someone accused you of believing Revisionist information because you simply taught in the offshoot. The offshoot itself didn't even teach it. Amazing! Thats really cruel. Yes VPW had books in the Way Bookstore for the longest time about Revisionist thought and theories. The Myth of the Six Million, and the Hoax of the Twenthieth Century are two that were there.

Golly, I wasn't thinking evil of that mother; all I saw was the teaching concept.

On the positive side, yes. On the negative side, no. I think that's where VP could have gotten it wrong.... i.e., "The Law Of Believing on the Negative Side". It doesn't make sense to me and as I look at the scripture I don't see where Jesus taught this...

Yes that's the way I remember he taught it. But what kind of fear and how did it actually work? Negative thought waves of doubt and worry transmitted through the atmosphere? Or, not ever teaching her kid to cross properly because she always thought and wanted him to be picked up? I can say the same about YOUR interpretation. VP didn't say that fear was "negative thought waves transmitted through the atmosphere" that caused calamities, did he? That was how YOU took it. I didn't take it that way. Dan, that wasn't VP I was quoting, it was Groucho Marx. Look at the quote again...

Dan, I think you misquoted me. I believe I said this: This quote is from PFAL and to the best of my recollection, VPW made the above comment in the context of believing God's promises in the Word. Was not spoken in the context of bad things, like disease and death, etc. What killed the little boy? Obviously the car that hit him. Look, this was a teaching tool of VPW. I can see the point he was making about fear and the way I took at that one was , the mother was always afraid to have the child walk home alone, so she always met him, and never taught him the correct way to cross the street. I do not believe that she transitted her fear through the atmosphere and it killed the boy.

This is exactly the way I feel about VPW but some say he wasn't qualified to help me. HE DID IT, HE GOT THE JOB DONE. Qualified or no.

Dan, I don't understand what you're saying here. God made it happen when the mother's believing was reversed?