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I heard that too but can't remember where from. Maybe "Dealing with the Adversary" or one of the many Sunday night cassette tapes of which I still own a trunk load of.
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Jesus said "whatsoever things ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them and ye shall have them". Based upon that promise the following recollection ... it was a couple of days before the start of Advanced Class 1979 and I was one of those "10-mile marathon runners" to carry the torch from Rome City to Athens OH. So there I was at Rome City, awaiting the start and was out jogging the day before the marathon. Near the end of my jog I felt pressure and pain in my leg, which I had not experienced during the several months prior training. It was coming from somewhere in the inner leg and caused me to limp, back to the main campus center. The young lady at the desk saw me limping and ask me what was wrong. I told her that there was a pain in my inner leg that's hurting me, and "I'm supposed to run in the marathon tomorrow". She laid hands on me and began praying, asking God to heal me in Christ's name. I believed her and believed that God would heal me. The pain was gone. During the 10 mile run the following day, there was no pain in that area of my leg. But what established this as genuine healing from God to me was that a day after the run, my whole body ached EXCEPT that one area of my leg that was painful and causing me to limp, two days before. To me, that was nothing short of sensational. Praise God.
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Or even seeking to rescue them from their ignorance.
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And what does the Word say if some choose to be ignorant? It says "let them be ignorant". Doesn't say to condemn and whine about them continually.
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They don't have to debate anyone. They have chosen their faith and religion just like any other U.S. citizen and if they want to engage in that group, that's their business. This is the U.S. of America with freedom of religion. Thank the Lord.
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The soft vanilla ice cream analogy was just a craving for soft vanilla ice cream when I wrote it. :P :) But the same may be said for health food. You walk into a health food store and eat spinach salad, leave the store and say to yourself "golly gee I just had spinach salad despite my eating spinach salad at the store." That's how ridiculous it is to say one got delivered while in twi, despite twi. I never bought that statement and still don't buy it. If one can't give credit where credit's due, one is not being honest with one self and it shows.
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The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
I would surmise that God showed you the future if the vision appeared like a mirror image or photograph of the reality you experienced. Wow, that is amazing, if it happened like that. I haven't a doubt that your believing was a contributory factor in the process. -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
You didn't answer the question. -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
Hardly. When Jesus told the multitudes "... O Ye of Little Faith" was he condemning them? -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
Not at all. No condemnation, just trying to understand with the truth is. Can you answer the question other than "the law of believing is unfounded and has no merit ..."? -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
So what's *your* answer George? You believe the bible is hogwash, while at the same time offer no answers except the bible is hogwash. What other alternative is there? Consider these verses: Now as a biblical student who believes the bible, I am confronted with these verses and believe them and communicate with folks that it is God's will they are healed, ... that Jesus made it available through his works and sacrifice.It was even available before his sacrifice: But the person, for whatever reason, after hearing the Word, is still sick. That'd mean either the person is not believing or I am not believing or, God and his Word is a lie, no? -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
Well I do believe one thing; if its a choice between it being God's fault or my believing, I will choose my believing... -
There you go Dan! I have enough oldies icons to last until the return. :)
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The answer is simple. There obviously came a point in which it wasn't good for us who left, so we left. I think the vast majority have gotten over it already and have moved on with their lives. Many have gone into offshoots. The folks who are still in twi, find it good for them, and that is ok with me. The is the U.S. of America with freedom of religion. As far as the sour taste goes, if one chooses to focus on that sour taste, that is their choice. Similarly, if one chooses to focus on that good taste, that is their choice.
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Balderdash. There wouldn't have been genuine deliverance without genuine Word taught. Genuine deliverance doesn't come from nothingness. And the so-called alleged "manipulative coercive life-dominating principles" seem to be excuses for perpetual victim entitlement.
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On the twig level, twi was about that for me most all the time. No pressure. Enjoyment, good fellowship. This wasn't a "groovy Christian" experience; this was my entire time at twig from 1973-1991. If it wasn't like that, I wouldn't have attended and at those times I felt I wanted to take a break from twi, I did. The programs were different... WOW was pressure and so forth, so was the corps, but that was expected and I looked at those situations as challenges. No negative whining.
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Jesus said a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. That is why I know twi-1 wasn't a corrupt tree, because I observed the good fruit. Capiche? Comprenda? I love ya.
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It was "pure soft vanilla ice cream" otherwise "the deliverance wouldn't have been there". Ye shall know them by their fruits. Deliverance is deliverance. I keep asking myself why folks hung around twi for so long; and the same answer keeps coming along. ...
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Thank you my friend Dan. Lou Rawls was such a good entertainer. I'm gonna miss using his icon.
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I never bought the idea that we received deliverance DESPITE twi. Doesn't make too much sense to me. It's like, yesterday I went for soft vanilla ice cream at Carvel and I ate soft vanilla ice cream despite Carvel.
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Jean, thanks for sharing. My Mom had a similar experience; she went to twig for a whole year before taking the class. No high pressure sales, and much enjoyment and blessings at twig.
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Tonto said they were sold out to a ministry "rather than" the Lord. She can't know that unless she knows the heart of a person and the person's own commitment to the Lord. Only God the searcher of hearts knows. That is why it seems like a condecending and smug statement. Even in twi, one may be intensely committed to both a job and the Lord at the same time, depending on the heart and mindset of the person making the decision.
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The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
This further proves Johniams point that he didn't teach "all believing equals all receiving", as if when your mind believes *POOF* you automatically receive. There were Godly rules / stipulations / conditions in play. This is the way he taught it and it was taught in the greater context of "how to receive from God" i.e. a Godly not an atheistic context. -
Play the Superman Photo Shoot Game
oldiesman replied to oldiesman's topic in Movies, Music, Books, Art
You are welcome RainbowsGirl :) -
The law of believing-NO GOD NEEDED
oldiesman replied to nyunknown's topic in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
He didn't. There were exceptions, the most notable being "what is available"... i.e. "You cannot receive something if it is not available"....