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I wasn't scared Danny. In fact, one of the first things I actually thought about after reading your post about the sex crimes unit breaking down my door, were dollar signs if this event actually occurred. Let the sex crimes unit break down my door, confiscate all my personal belongings, arrest me and throw me in jail, find nothing, and inform me that they took this action based upon the picture that was painted of me by posts from this thread of yours Danny. I would hate to think that a brother in Christ or frankly anyone else would figure prominently in a lawsuit filed by me. But if some posters continue on the present discourse of personal attack and character assassination as demonstrated in this thread, and if an event like a break-in and confiscation of my personal property and false imprisonment from the government ever were to actually occur; some of the posters here may be in deep more than they may ever realize.

Nicole, This statement can be tough medicine, but I believe it is good wisdom to live by.

Thanks for your help Goey. And I have already apologized for making that statement.

I'll send you a few La Shantas instead.

I think it was more like an adaptation. :)

Nicole, Welcome to GS Cafe. Your sentiment demonstrates once again that the vile acts of so few have not overshadowed the good deeds of so many. Please stay and share more. :)

Thanks for letting me know PAW, I had no idea about that. I'm sure you will work this out and do the right thing.

That may be someones rationale, but personally, I always thought that was a weak argument for the females to use, or to proclaim on behalf of the females. It simply shifts all blame to someone else, in this case VPW. Is that fair? "Because Dr. Wierwille says its ok and didn't teach me otherwise, then it is ok" Oh really? Let's be frank ... adults , know that adultery is wrong. We all learn this from our parents, from our Judeo-Christian society, from marriage, from our traditions, from our family and friends, from our own study of the bible; Consider a possible scenario on Judgment Day; Jesus: "why dear woman did you commit adultery with Dr. Wierwille" Woman: "because I was taught contrary to God's Word that this would bless the man of God" Jesus: "you mean you didn't know that adultery was wrong"? "you didn't know Victor was a married man?" Woman: "but Victor told me that it was ok and didn't teach me otherwise" Jesus: "well then that must make it all ok" *************************** Simply put, although VPW is guilty for his sins regardless (as we all are), I believe in individual moral accountability and responsibility for every adults' choices.

I have great respect for the moderators. They have done an excellent job. But I still want Larry back. :)

I'd like to see Larry receive his full posting privileges back. Any comments?

No. But because of most of the women consenting; it facilitated his adultery. They participated in it, helped it along, encouraged it, gave it wings. Desiring to "bless the man of God". Mrs. Wierwille --- I suppose she could have blasted the whole thing wide open; don't know why she didn't other than remaining silent for the sake of the entire ministry staying afloat. I'd bet my last dollar that she believed the ministry was of God and didn't want the ministry to be blamed.

I believe that too. What I was taught in all my time in twi has nothing to do with heinous actions of Wierwille or anyone else.

It is my understanding that Larry's posts are getting screened, monitored, before they appear. This happened as I understand it, because the moderators thought that Larry was engaging in personal attacks. If my suspicion is correct, Larry would like to be treated like every other poster here, with no double standards. i.e, if he gets monitored because of personal attack, then other posters who engage in personal attack, should also be monitored. or, since other posters engage in personal attack and their posts are not getting monitored before they appear, neither should Larry's. Seems fair to me...

Groucho, you and others are correct, I am not a spokesman for all men and should not have written that. My apologies to all, for the blanket statement "any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay." Sorry, please forgive. Although I'd like to discuss this topic of "male sexual nature" in the future. I think it would be profitable. But right now its just seems too controversial and I can do without all the personal attacks and vitriol. Hopefully will start a thread on it in the future and maybe it can be reasonably discussed. :)

I define young women as adult women , as in twi when they had sex with Wierwille. Am not talking about kids. This may be just too controversial for some folks, so striking back is their only option, it would seem. OK, I guess I'll just have to abandon this thread if this topic can't be discussed without personal attacks.

They say Viagra works for some women too. But no, its not ok for a Christian minister to commit adultery, even if he did that as a gesture to loosen someone up sexually. I am not talking about behavior, I am talking about fantasy and the male sexual desire. Maybe your husband and sons never told you their innermost thoughts and desires, did that ever cross you mind?

A real Dr. would tell me I'm a normal man. Can't you discuss the issue without resorting to personal attacks and character assassinations? Danny, so you do not fantasize about young women, ever? Be honest now -- its nothing to be ashamed of. Its part of who we are as American males.

I suspect Solomon didn't have to drug women; he was the King and could have any woman he wanted. He was the King and women flocked to him; just like they flocked to Wierwille. Like some kind of a rock star. I don't know why he had to use drugs though; he had all the women without them. That was wrong for sure. But maybe he did it just to loosen them up? You know the uptight ones. I never tried it, but I heard that some of these date rape drugs enhance the sexual desire. Sort of like a sexual aid. BTW most if not all men fantisize about young women. That is a fact of nature and any guy who disputes this is either lying or gay.

Hello folks. :) Writing to you directly from the bosses computer now. :) I hope everyone had a nice weekend and truly hope we can discuss some issues this week without all the personal attacks.

Sounds almost like a George Carlin plagiarism. :) Happy Weekend, one and all!

This is one of those nebulous grey areas that is wide open to debate. Is this a human life or "potential" human life. Is this life or potential life a blessing from God, if it was possibly conceived in sin? (adultery, fornication) Does this life or potential life have a soul? ******************* We know TWI's perspective that the fetus is potential life that doesn't have a soul. From that perspective, it wasn't yet a human life taken. We were in TWI for years and that was the situation. We assented to it and agreed with it then, that was what we agreed to and believed. This is one reason why I believe the leaders who encouraged women to keep their commitment to the Corps program, were not doing evil by that. They should not be condemned.

Tom, for purposes of this discussion on oaths, we need to define our terms to make sure we are on the same page. Perhaps we can save this for next week, but its getting awefully close to the end of the day, and its FRIDAY, and you know what that means. :)

I still believe its the right way to go, and biblical, even though it may be used against someone if they fail to live up to that standard. Golly, it isn't manipulation to expect someone to keep their word.

How do you define "wrong"? One persons "wrong" may not be another persons "wrong". Difficult to answer these questions as they can go different ways depending upon the facts of a situation and the heart and mindset of the person making the commitment or swearing the oath. I'll get back to you on that. :)

Oh yes, that was never disputed by me. Which was why I questioned Marsha's return to his motorcoach the next day. I don't know, seems like she was just looking for trouble and possibly encouraged additional abuse. Who knows?