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Hi Raf, Not as much as I used to and no longer preach that. I do believe that it's Jesus who will be deciding my eternal location but I don't know if that makes him "God"; certainly Lord.

Thanks for that sharing socks. I suppose I have the same attitude with Roman Catholicism as with TWI that the evil didn't negate the good. I want to learn from people that have strong Roman Catholic faith one of them is Ann Barnhardt the other is Taylor Marshall and both have excellent podcasts that I've been listening to. I go to a Catholic Bible study which has been only a reading of the Catholic Bible and commentary by us the readers. What I try to do is get their Catholic perspective and not push the twi teachings on them (some of which I still believe even now.) But I've seen that lots of stuff is similar; the pure faith in Christ is similar. Love of God is similar. The "gifts of the spirit" or "manifestations" are not really as some Catholics observe them and some do not. But I want to get a book by Taylor Marshall called "The Crucified Rabbi" . I've read that he makes the case that the Catholic religion has its traditions, ceremonies and rituals in Judaism and fulfills the Old Testament.

The teachings are remarkably the same as PFAL, with one difference in the "statement of un-beliefs": 9. We do not believe that “faith” is a force generated by the human mind that automatically brings either good or bad into one’s life.

I get what you're saying, but the RC interpretation of scriptures and traditions sometimes vary from the scriptures and traditions of protestants. Not all, but some. The more I delve into it and pray about it, the meaning becomes clear for me. I try to get at the bottom-line meaning, then see if its something I can believe and agree with. I think the important thing is attend to having your heart close to God's heart as Jesus said.

yes. continent = celibate

Yes, I'm adding something to the mix that works for me. Others may not go for the same mix as mine.

Sorry about that! Thanks for the correction.

Remember that the RC church doesn't always go by "chapter and verse" but by tradition and experience as well. They go by visions and experiences of later saints and believers as well. (Am thinking of the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Mother of God here as well.) I don't have all the background on why priests should remain celibate but am sure its there. We can do a search on YouTube, am sure there are many videos about it there.

Here's another quote (or page) from Ann Barnhardt who as I said helped me get back to the Roman Catholic faith while exposing the evils inside the church. As I understand it, priestly celibacy (a gift from God) was required for complete devotion to the church, the priest being married to the church and having no other devotion or loyalty. That was the godly standard they have (and still have for the present). The recommendation from the Pope she mentions is either stay celibate or quit, which to me is honest. Where I believe they've blown it big time is the lack of honesty; instead of being honest and quit they go on doing their own thing which has warped into rampant flamboyant sodomy. So it appears to be the sin of narcissism. https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/01/04/cut-the-crap-no-sex-for-priests-deacons-and-subdeacons-even-if-married/

I agree with you but it was her quote not mine. I've never used the word f----t; I use the word from the Bible which is sodomite.

I don't know, its Ann Barnhardt's quote. She's stated show knows officials who work right there in the Vatican and the context was the Vatican so I assume its the Vatican she's talking about.

"The Vatican is a Bathhouse ~ they are all f--s." Ann Barnhardt. Couple of years ago I heard this and then started listening to Ann's podcast. She helped me come back to the Roman Catholic faith while all the while exposing the evils within the church. Rampant, flamboyant sodomy in the upper echelons needs to be exposed and repented of otherwise they are doomed (and in my opinion, SHOULD BE.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlzOd42xU8c&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=PCTAeWPQ5ht8BXaJ%3A6

Those would come under the Novus Ordo not the traditionalists. Even then, its a separate service from their usual Mass from what I've seen. And the service I've been to didn't have SIT with interpretation only a word of prophesy (which was very much like the old TWI).

Thank you. I find it as one of the most serious ways to worship God. Of course, they don't know that I speak in tongues during the Mass and I don't broadcast it because they definitely don't believe in it unfortunately.

Wordwolf, I don't know other than its tradition, and maybe some Pope decreed along the way that that was the way it was supposed to be said and no other way. Personally I would like to hear the entire traditional high Mass in English, but I don't think its available around here. Some trads literally believe that once a Pope says something like that anything else is invalid. Of course there are exceptions: it is said that the Rosary was given to St. Dominic directly from Mary as 15 decades; then Pope John Paul added 5 more decades which the trads believe makes it invalid so there they don't accept the Popes decision. It certainly seems to be a dilemma for them to accept some Popes decrees and reject others...

As I understand it the Latin contains many more gestures and worship sequences, meaningful actions that were cut out when they reduced it at Vatican 2. When facing the cross during the original Latin Mass, the priest actually worships Jesus (which was described to me as like time travel i.e. you are there at the crucifixion) having only the altar as opposed to using a table and facing the congregants during the new Mass. Here's a video series that was suggested to me (this is part One of Three) of the set-up of the original Latin Mass, that you may find interesting:

I thought this was an interesting video (about 20 minutes) of how the RC Church got invaded from within. Right now, from what I've seen and experienced, the "Novus Ordo" Mass is a severely watered-down version of the Traditional Latin Mass. Some trads. believe the new Mass isn't valid at all. I do not hold to that view, though I do believe the traditional Mass is way more serious, reverent and worshipful.

I sometimes wonder if he tells folks (who aren't ex-twi) that most all the stuff he learned and is teaching now was from twi? He didn't mention it in the interview and I think it would be the honest thing to do. Of course perhaps he won't because twi has developed a bad reputation and he doesn't want his teachings to be diminished or disparaged.

My recollection was that TWI taught that a born-again believer was somebody who confessed Christ as Lord and believed God raised him from the dead. (Romans 10:9). At that point you were a member of the body of Christ. An unbeliever, then, was one who did not do this. Those who were of "the household of faith" or simply "the household" were exclusively active TWI believers.

Looks like JAL's stuff is all from TWI.. hasn't veered away at all. Looks good for 75... Thanks for the link...

What a fascinating topic! For those who may be interested I recently attended a talk with a Nuremberg prison guard. He was right there. (He's now 92 years old.) This video is about 30 minutes long.

Negative.

Ditto...

A friend just sent me this piece. It's well written; no argument here. It belongs here as a reference if its not here already. https://charleneedge.com/part-1-of-2-victor-paul-wierwille-and-plagiarism/?fbclid=IwAR3c5Qzp-dyweO2WC8lD-OWdwDuqakubjg3dHyg0u5gwGrZWlffSPZr9q2o

I always thought that homosexuality is a perversion and still do. I remember in high school a homo challenged me on it and said I was perverted for believing that. What did I say to him? Nothing... nothing I say would change his mind. Now, today I don't call them homos anymore I call them sodomites. "God made male and female". This is still the truth; I believe the people and society are in deep trouble, straying from this truth and is in peril, perhaps like Sodom and Gomorrah once was. I don't wish ill on anybody but I think we're in deep doo doo. Now we have Drag Queen Story Hours in libraries. ugh.