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Raf it's two hours long and judging from the first 7 minutes, really can't take her comic act. Can you summarize the most important and impressive points from your point of view?

I hope posts aren't being censored here.. all comments welcome far as I am concerned. Thx.

That explains more, thx Raf.

Got it, thx.

I share this view and believe it was designed to eventually be a base for the one body, i.e., 'the Body of Christ' as we know it.

Charity, if you decide to try any other religion(s) please post about it; would be interested in hearing about your experience.

Respectfully, what is the standard that we may agree on in this thread: the bible is fiction? or the bible happened but some refuse to believe it? or something else?

A point I'd like to add here: our choices don't control everything that happens; i.e. things happen also by providence, or accident; whatever way one choose to look at those two.

True. On the trinity, can't rely on the bible for that as the scriptures vary, so must of necessity be accepted by faith.

As the song goes "We'll understand it, all by-and-by". Faith helps overcome the mysteries.

Yes. I agree with Raf in the sense that it's better to not believe in God at all then believe in a god that is absent and does not care. On the founders, I have a book called "In God We Trust: the Religious Beliefs and Ideals of the Founding Fathers: Cousins, Norman: 9780764709562: Amazon.com: Books" that gives many quotes and illustrates that some "deists" may not be the deists some think.

I was thinking about something else related to the topic. Do our animals have any spiritual perception? Or, using their own intellect think spiritual things are BS?

I would think no, no, no and no. There's nothing spiritual, no God, no Spirit, no inspiration (in-spirit-action). What is it then? One's own intellect only at work? Luck? Random chance? I don't know.

All spirit beings believed to exist by man. God, Jesus, Holy, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, Watchers, Angels, Demons etc. etc.

Yes. "God" isn't the only spiritual being that has been purported to exist and spoken about by man so I was thinking it might be good to know (for purposes of this thread only) we agree that no spirits exist?

I've heard stories that some people believe they lived before. Just for clarification that we are all on the same page in this thread: Does not believing in God also necessarily mean not believing in ANY and ALL spiritual beings? Thx.

It appears that Brandon very clearly lost the faith he once had. Am curious what he thinks will happen to him after his death? I didn't get to that part if he said something about that. Thx.

1984.

Yes, that was one of those "good ole days" experiences for me. Took one whole month off from work and was very excited to be one of the participants. The believers at each stop were great, and so was all the food! VPW and Mrs. Wierwille didn't ride the Twig Hopper much at all...he had that glass eye at that time too... and along with VPW motorcoach there also was a full motorcoach for the participants to sleep in each night if they wanted to, to save money on hotel rooms. I still have the daily journal written by Elena Whiteside who also rode with me on a few of those motorcycle legs.

What a great video! Thanks RighteousRider. Perhaps the greatest mistake man can make is to think otherwise.

The topic has been talked about here at GS for a long time, i.e. is it VPW or his dogma that was offensive, or both. I've always separated the two and still feel the same way, i.e. the dogma is either true or false on its own irrespective of the sins of VPW. Remember, he didn't originate lots of it. But I think one of the biggest crimes of TWI that must be said is the ramming through of only their biblical views without discussing/considering/examining other views to see which was really biblically accurate. Not much of an open mind to other viewpoints. What a shame for all of us because there's so much more to be considered and I feel like I was ripped off all those years in that one sense.

Thx for sharing Charlene. Even with all the fond memories of mine.

How about the Shroud of Turin? Here's a piece that says it should be thought of differently than a hoax: New evidence supporting Shroud too strong to ignore (catholicweekly.com.au)

Dear Friend, I'm 67 years old and in a matter of 5 minutes, just heard 2 interpretations from friends of mine that I never heard before! (1) Not accepting forgiveness is the unforgivable sin; (2) Believing that Jesus was possessed; as the Pharisees had claimed he was possessed by the prince of devils. ALL COMMENTS WELCOME.

Thank you OldSkool for the powerful testimony of Jesus' presence (as opposed to absence) in your life.