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Long Gone Let me try to respond to this from another angle, a perspective that I think mj412 was trying to make all along, and one that takes most everything rascal said into account. This is a crude example, but I do this to get the point across. In the context of way world, the way corps program is the greatest commitment of service one can make. Its the word the word and nothing but the word, and in twi-world, movement of that word was paramount. The way corps was the vehicle to move that word, so the way corps was the most important thing. It was the ultimate in godliness. A woman who makes a commitment to go corps, has made one of the most godly commitments there is. A commitment to move the Word, in the greatest way available. But something happens. She gets pregnant, and that pregnancy interferes with her corps commitment. Along comes a corps leader, who has been taught all long that a pregnancy, a fetus, is "her fruit". He doesn't really care about her fruit. Let's look at it as a bag of jewels. "Her" bag of jewels. So the corps leader says to the corps volunteer, "you need to get rid of that bag of jewels", because its keeping you from your corps commitment. "Don't allow that bag of jewels to stop you from receiving a greater treasure, that of your commitment and service to God." Keeping that bag of jewels is being selfish. Get rid of that bag of jewels...God will bless you if you keep your commitment to Him. So was it evil intent to look at it that the corps leader was forcing, coercing, pressurizing the corps volunteer to abandon their own personal bag of jewels, for a greater treasure, the greatest treasure of twi? I don't think so. It's all a question of one perspective having a higher urgency, a higher importance, than another. Crude as that may seem now. I was watching tv last night and there was a "Practice" episode that I previously recorded. On it was about Rebecca getting hurt because of a bomb being blown up in the office. Rebecca gets rushed to emergency, on her death bed. The doctor wants to give Rebecca a blood transfusion, to keep her alive. Rebecca's mother, a Jehovah's Witness, says "no", Rebecca is a Jehovah's Witness and she wouldn't want a blood transfusion. "But Rebecca will probably die if Rebecca doesn't get one", Bobby says. The mother still says no, it's more important to carry out what she thinks is God will, even though that probably will result in Rebecca's death. Was the mother committing evil? Not according to her religious belief, which was more important, and took precedence. "Intent". I think that's been mj412's point all along.

You might be correct. But since her name and actions were used and published in "The Cult That Snapped", I think she's fair game. If not, the Greasespot Gods will intervene... um besides, it was no insult, Kim Cattrall is hot ...

mj412 I feel similar. "The buck stops here." And if there was something I didn't like, that wouldn't be changed, I always knew where the door was and took that path at times.

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Garth No, I'm not saying Uncle Hairy is a communist wannabe. Just suggesting that Uncle Hairy's statements may be applied to all religions, not just twi, if one wishes to insult its participants. Just about all he said may be present in all religions if that's the way one looks at it. I've seen those things present in my older one (Roman Catholicism). For example, one may, if one wishes to be mean, make a comparison that a participant receiving communion religiously every week is like a junkie getting his fix. What would both be without it? Not a big deal, just food for thought.

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MJ412 You seem to be making a distinction between "being" forced, and "feeling" forced. One implies actual physical force, from a perpetrator. The other implies feeling pressure and force, mental pressure, as one might have in difficult decision making. I guess to some there is little distinction, but I think there is one, and see where you're coming from.

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Apparently not. I guess the next question would be, if M&A folks want to buy bookstore materials, how do they get themselves off of M&A status? I'm not phoning them for that ... someone else please. ha!

I guess this thread still has some life left. Oakspear Point well taken.But I guess what bothers me is the perception that rascal's experiences were widespread, from rascal's own posts. If she stated clearly "this is what I thought ... ", then no problem ... but many perceptions from her weren't just talking about her, but suggested those perceptions applied to many others as well. Here are some examples. Rascals own words: I tried to convey what twi's position was on abortion, and partial birth abortion, proving it according to what was written. It's not fair to just dismiss this as "pap." It is interesting to note that Raf asked me to prove what I said, but failed to ask Rascal to prove what she said, where it applied directly to others as well. Did I behave badly on this thread? I don't think so. I don't think anyone is behaving badly when they are politely expressing their own opinion, while simultaneously expressing doubts about other posters' perceptions of how an issue relates to the entire ministry. This is one reason why I think we should look at our posts as opinions, not truth. If someone doesn't believe everything, fine. You shouldn't take offense. Because opinions and perceptions may vary from one poster to another.

Jerry Jacks from the TWI bookstore returned my phone call, and left a message on my machine, which contained the following:

If this is the best he can persuade, I'm unimpressed.

This may be applied to trinitarians as well.

I always wanted to know what the E.W. in E.W. Kenyon stood for. "Essek William" Kewl.

Isn't it interesting that threads with the most arguing, namecalling and fighting usually get the most viewings? Folks love it.

Sounds like something Karl Marx would say.

Lifted Up I believe partial birth abortion is the taking of a human life and even borders on infanticide. I quoted from Dave Craley's editorial, and "I think" Craley's view also was twi's predominant view on it. As far as rascal's posts, nothing more to say and don't wish to comment any further.If someone has something more to add on topic I'd be happy to respond, otherwise I think this thread has run its course.

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This is strange. I just got off the phone with them, and they said they'd get back to me with the answer. At first, I got the young lady in the bookstore who yesterday told me that the bookstore was open to all. But then today, she put me on hold, and another person answered and asked for my name and location. I gave my name and location, and she put me on hold and then got back on the line and said she'd speak with her boss and someone would get back to me. What is going on? I guess it's still a mystery. I'm going to call them tomorrow again if I don't find out anything today.