oldiesman

I'm not saying that some folks weren't motivated by fear. But fear isn't the only motive that activates decisions. Here's what we learned in twi, which i still agree with. Why do we do things? 1- Self Preservation 2- Self Recognition 3- Fear 4- Love I think all of these motivational forces were in play in various folks lives. The analogy given at the beginning of this thread is too narrow and doesn't represent the whole truth.

Hi Danny, I generally don't post on evenings and weekends. Hope everyone had a nice weekend. Yeah, the allegations here don't apply very well. On the one hand, you've got people being forced to do humiliating things at gunpoint. On the other hand, you have folks who freely avail themselves of a program where they are to obey a man of god. If they don't like it, or if it was too harsh treatment for them, "there's the door". Many did leave the corps too. This seems to be a key element in the mind control propaganda mindset. You must have been brainwashed to have submit yourself to a loud-mouth balding man with a large forehead, right? It couldn't have been for other reasons...no...you had to be brainwashed. You COULDN'T make decisions on your own...Yes you could folks. It doesn't apply because those Iraq prisoners were there at gunpoint. There's a difference.

if they told you to jump off a cliff, would you jump?

doesn't apply because there was no "absolute authority" in twi if someone has you held at gunpoint, THATS absolute authority...

here's a Way myth: V's pee pee was as active as John Holmes's...

One thing I remember now that may confirm this is Dr saying repeatedly that our ministry wasn't a healing ministry. "if miracles never happen, it's still the Word" that may be an explanation why although since miracles and healings are Gods prerogatives it's His call. i thought the statement by Dr "the greatest of all miracles is the new birth" fit very well with our ministry and we certainly saw lots of that in TWI-1.

wyteduv58, doesn't surprise me that God blessed us in TWI-1...I experienced healing myself, not nearly as dramatic as that, but did involve my leg which was in pain and was scheduled for a 10-mile marathon the next day. Thanks for sharing.

#1 should be Chris Geer...

probably twi or ex-twi folks who want to buy an early version of Stiles work. It makes sense, since Dr learned so much from Stiles, to "see it in the original" so to speak. They do have later pressings of Stiles book but the one now on ebay looks like an early pressing...

Thanks Raf... I think your point is a good one; if it were me, i wouldn't want to entangle myself in this kind of mess... so many other things in life to worry about ...

This one might get hot... An early version of "The Gift of the Holy Spirit" by J.E. Stiles... The Gift of the Holy Spirit

no, just trying to inject a little humor.i misspelled cloak, should have been "cloke". cloke of covetousness... cloke of maliciousness... are things to get rid of

Raf, are you suggesting that Pat has a "cloak" of covetousness?

It's a hard thing to give someone your coat when they're suing your pants off.

I think the Rosalie and Donna team have a better chance at longer lasting happiness.

Pat, I agree with you on that and hope you win. Don't know if you will, but I do see the point how TWI has nerve trying to own the words "The Way". I hope you win on that point. Don't know if this matters any, but many years ago, Panasonic came out with a portable cassette player labelled "Way" . I don't think it was "The Way", but I have to check, I think I've still got it in my drawer. When I saw that, I promptly bought it as a birthday gift for a way corps family member who I thought would get a kick out of it. They gave it back to me a few years ago, and I need to check to see if I still have it.

An interesting thought for food is why did we feel it necessary to go beyond PFAL... We learn in PFAL we're God's beloved, we're loaded with all the power of God, sealed with holy spirit, heaven bound, and all hell can't stop us from going... That's not enough? look what happened, we want more than that? Maybe it's because we still weren't satisfied with the goodness of God's food and benefits, and had to feed our own selfish egos with worldly prizes? Advances class, Corps, Ordination = a little worldly recognition?

John, I agree with your assessment. A lot of that is one's own opinion. If I go get a meal at McDonald's, is McDonald's using me for their own personal financial gain? I guess so, if you look at it that way. But I did receive a delicious Big Mac and fries in return. It was one's own choice to go there, to eat of their food, and if you didn't like it, never to return.

Sounds to me like she told him cause he put the gold flatware in the wrong place. He must've really screwed that flatware up. I mean, how bad can you be with gold flatware?

So then let me get this straight...while Victor Paul was giving it to some young babe, Mrs. Wierwille knew exactly what was going on and on the lookout in the front? Now there's a tale I never thought i'd hear... Geeze, for Mrs. Wierwille to say that, you must've really screwed up her gold flatware. I bet you never did that again.

I think some sins are worse than others, but I still believe TWI's oft-repeated teaching on forgiveness of sins, from I John. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

No. The fact that Donna is still at headquarters speaks of HER power, authority and influence, that had been there for years. You're giving Craig too much credit. He's a gonner.

Pat, it's been said that Victor Paul's doctorate was unaccredited, but was "experimental" at that time. He did receive a diploma from them, from a ceremony, but it's still unrecognized by the establishment. I don't know if you can do this, but could you possibly find out how many diploma's were given out by Pike's Peak, and what are the disposition of the folks who got diploma's from them? I'd like to know if you could get someone who actually got a diploma from there, who might agree with your assessment? Don't know if that's possible after all this time but it might be worth checking out...

Yes you are correct. Maybe Radar is thinking about another thread? dunno...

Since Radar has given up, if someone understands the point she's trying to make, and can explain it in modern English, please proceed.