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As I remember I too was in bed, and a family member called me from hq, saying Dr had died. I then called my tc, who already knew about it since she was corps. I'm glad he was there to teach God's Word. I have a greater understanding and appreciation of the bible; and some things just make a whole lot more sense than what I was previously taught. Principally three things I guess: salvation by grace, Jesus Christ is not God, and dead are not alive now. He was also a man who did harm to folks, as we all know. I think of him as a Christian man who did both good and evil. I think he realized this, and put on his gravestone sort of a self-deprecating reminder for everyone to see and remember. I see God having mercy on him, as on all of us.

Oakspear, I don't think I ever tried carp so I can't even be full of it. How do you get italics in your quote, buddy?

But why would you want to hang out with anyone from twi now, anyway? you think they're involved in a never changing, mind controlling, abusive cult that you have nothing but contempt for, right? (please correct me if I'm wrong, I wouldn't want to falsely accuse you of anything, thereby lying). maybe they realize things aren't the same between you, don't want to argue with you and just figure it's best to move on?

Thanks Steve. The italics didn't work, that's ok.

Ok fine. But then there's the new poster, Wonder 1, whose post, a momentarily varying reprise and opinion, was promptly carved up and cubed like diced ham. Oops, I should not distract from the task at hand, the warnings about twi evildoers. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow." P.S. could someone PLEASE instruct me how I may have the above magnificent quote added to my posts without retyping it all the time? Pretty please? Garth ol' buddy?

Tom I too know what it's like to be hurt, abused and wounded, and when it comes to posting, I believe there shouldn't be any untouchable gender-based sacred cows commanding greater victim status than others. As Excathedra would say: ROF "laughing my a$$ off"Sometimes I think GS is like a soap opera. You know, like leaving it for months, come back, and one is exactly where they left off. Try it. Come back in 6 months and see if there's any lull in the relentless one-sided condemnation of Wierwille and twi. Must be something in the nature of man to want to perpetually crush and pulverize a dead horse. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Wonder1, thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately, since it doesn't harmonize with the accusitive finger-pointing, perpetually accentuate-everything-evil about TWI mindset of some posters, it really has no value here. Maybe some, put it'll be squashed soon enough. Hey buddy, don't let the door hit your butt too hard upon your departure. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Tom, I've gone through many hurts, disappointments, wounds, in my life, so yes I've lived through them. I just don't wallow in them and perpetually think and talk about them; they're history. Regarding having compassion, I can't stress this enough, but again I'll mention, that this website is available to post opinions. If folks can't take certain opinions I have without getting hurt (I think that's bogus, but assuming it's there), then perhaps one shouldn't, as they say, stay in the kitchen. I would LOVE for some posters to take a breather from their perpetual condemnational finger pointing of Wierwille's misdeeds and think from other perspectives. Some won't do it, refuse to, some even cite scripture as their justification. Ok fine. But those words hurt folks who read them, many of them who never post. Ok, assuming then that posts hurt folks, maybe we should all have some compassion and should all be quiet? maybe that's the answer... "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Goey, you are correct. Folks who perpetually condemn Wierwille for his misdeeds, can, and do, function mentally. Thanks."TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Sure it does. I am not a proponent of wound addiction and nobody has to let Wierwille's misdeeds (or anyone else's) influence their life and have so much power over them that they can't function without mentioning it endlessly. That's why the bible mentions forgiveness and other goodies. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Rev. Craig MartindaleFebruary 1990 Were the folks who were marked and avoided gangrene? Well no, they were (and are) still children of God; I guess the point he was trying to make is, if you're going to think of Craig as a #1 screw up jerk who's blown it so bad that things'll never change, perhaps its best you go fellowship somewhere else. Why folks continue to complain about it when Craig was giving them their leave and freeing them from the evil twi, is beyond me. If you think twi is/was so bad, go...leave...good bye. That's all mark and avoid is. Seems pretty reasonable to folks who everlastingly whine and complain. There's ur out. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Houseisarockin That's a good question, and never heard of them doing that. On the flip side, I never heard of them NOT doing that. For all I know, Craig could be in fellowship with God right now, and Dr asked for forgiveness on his death bed. It's possible, isn't it? Who's to say what's in the heart of a man, especially on his death bed. There's some opinion in The Cult That Snapped that he was sorry, or felt sorry, as an observation by one of the women who knew of his misdeeds. Who knows?"TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Thanks for mentioning this Johniam. What was it someone once said "do not feed the monster"? I think it was Hope R. Anyway, I think that's good advice. Some posters don't like what we post, respond with questions, comments and insults (thereby accentuating, feeding, the apparent distraction), whatever, then blame us for distracting and posting on things that "aren't the point". Ok whateva... Btw, thanks for your support."TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Goey, you are correct. I can't speak for everyone at TWI so it's possible there were, or are, some racists in there. Thanks. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Raf, good postings. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Zix I wouldn't call it admiration any more. On the other hand, I do not dismiss his godly works that helped folks gain a better understanding of God and the bible. Agreed. That's overkill. I doubt that very seriously. In fact, I think most folks don't really take me seriously and just see my posts as what they are, as varying opinions from someone who doesn't see it the way they do. If perchance someone takes my opinions to heart and gets bummed out, they shouldn't. Don't blame me for wanting to express an opinion that you might disagree with. I think you're taking this too seriously. But feel free to express your opinions, and I'll keep expressing mine. Hopefully we can learn some things from each other. Thanks for your opinions, and thanks for that magnificent statement. I need to do some work now that might have me busy for awhile, so if I don't respond to some posters, I'm not ignoring anyone, just busy. "TWI has now power over you except that which your actions allow."

Thanks Wordwolf. I removed the author's name at his request; but it still sits there, like a diamond, in all its magnificent glory. It's simple, yet deep. Brilliant. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Garth, ol buddy, friend, and pal, can you show me how to add that quote to the bottom of my posts, without me having to type it every time? "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Zix, I will be happy to take your name off and apologize for my presumptuousness. But, I cannot, in good conscience, add or change any words. It's brilliant, just the way it is. "TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow."

Yeah but what I'm doing is not plagiarism cause I'm citing who said it first, right? TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow. -Zixar

"TWI HAS NO POWER OVER YOU EXCEPT THAT WHICH YOUR ACTIONS ALLOW."

Wordwolf I don't know if Zixar endorses the use of his quote for the bottom of my posts. I didn't ask. But if he wants me not to use it, I'll just add a few words, and adapt his quote but it'll then be my quote. But I just can't believe Zixar would ask me not to use his quote -- it's brilliant! But I will adapt it and remove his name if he desires.TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow. -Zixar

Obviously not, cause they didn't have full use of their mental faculties at that time. TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow. -Zixar

Wordwolf It's a brilliant statement, isn't it? Obviously from a very logical, thoughtful and honest mind. It pretty much sums up what I feel. Sorry if you don't agree.TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow. -Zixar

Goey No need to be sarcastic if you're asking me an honest question. I think the way you're framing the entire episode, I'd say no, she's not just as culpable. Culpable, yes, because I assume she has the intelligence and heart to know that having sex with a married man is wrong. That's why gals said no. But I simply don't buy the helpless, mindless victim propaganda so espoused by certain posters. Sorry. TWI has no power over you except that which your actions allow. -Zixar