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Laleo, this is a good paragraph from you, thanks, and I believe this would also apply to those of us who still think a few good thoughts about VPW and TWI. Thanks.

Thank you, Radar :)-->

Been away for a few days.. wow hey this is a good thread :)--> Evan, to the best of my knowledge, works of the flesh committed by a Christian doesn't disqualify same from walking by the spirit, when they do. If they did, then I suppose the good Christians who post here, some of whom continually engage in hatred, wrath and strife, would be disqualified as well.VPW preached and taught the Word. Not everything was right on but boy he made an impact and taught the bible is truth, and instilled in us solid respect for that Word. Folks who hung around for years, were blessed with twi and proved by their lives and for themselves that TWI was a genuine ministry at one time. Ours (and VPW'S) good godly works were not in vain.

VP preached and taught God's Word, so if you believe the Word is a scam, and patently false, then ol VP was promoting a scam. If not, then I shant not accuse VP of being a scam artist. Paul said someplace that "if in this life only we have our hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." In other words, if the Word is a myth, a fantasy, then we are all in deeeeeep doo doo.

The statement was that he wasn't ever committed to the "ministry of the Word"... In other words, he didn't care about God's word moving and blessing people, all he cared about was building a corporation? That's an insult and evil communication about a decent guy, who did care that folks were blessed. It's like if I said something about your commitment, you a faithful believer for years and years wanting the word to move, but I say all your concerned about was meeting your own needs and didn't care about ANYTHING else. That's a slam. I've heard a couple of instances of extra-marital affairs. NOTHING like what VP is accused of. But the disparagement was questioning Don's commitment to God; not that he wasn't an angel. None of us were (or are) angels. I just saw as strange somebody coming on here having all kinds of nice and understanding things to say about VPW and LCM, but cuts DEW down. Sounds pretty cockeyed to me. Kind of hypocritical too. But thats the way personal vendettas go I suppose.You amaze me too, Belle. I hope we can learn from each other. Hopefull, since Don always struck you as a kind man, does he deserve to be labelled as not having any commitment to the Word, and all he wanted was to build a corporation? How kind a man is that?Thanks for sharing.

Of course HCW slammed him. What do you call that?I wouldn't disparage ANYBODY like that, much less a guy who generally has a good report with folks, and a great report with some folks like me. Sounds like a significant personal vendetta to me. Oh well Don prolly never kissed his butt or something. Otherwise, hi Mike :)-->

Aah. Another Wierwille Worshipper!BUT! A Don Wierwille hater ...It kind of amazes me that someone would come on Greasespot and have nothing at all nice to say about Don Wierwille (who rarely gets criticized), while simultaneously having kindness and understanding toward VPW and LCM. Personal vendetta rant?

Oakspear, I think a bullet in the head would have been justifiable in most jurisdictions. As a matter of fact, I think it can be argued that that would have been the preferred way. It's quick, effective, and gets the job done faster than trying to wrestle with a fierce crazy person.Now if you're Arnold Schwartzenegger, I don't know. If you have the physical training and conditioning to take down a crazy possessed woman, in the act of murder, with your bare hands, you can try if you want. I guess it depends on your physical condition, but I wouldn't bank on it. I'm not a lawyer or a cop, but as far as I know, one may use deadly physical force to prevent a murder. Heck, they'd be a hero.

She really deserved that one too, because of what she did. Since we're talking about violence against women, had Yates been caught perpetrating her murderous act, it would have been legally justifiable for anyone to have killed her right on the spot.

Johniam, I haven't seen that scene in a while, but I remember everyone watching that movie loved it when she got wacked, because of what she did. Good example. ha ha...those were some bada$$ mamas there...

Why not both? He loved and respected VP, and also used him to get to the top. That was LCM's goal for a long time, to be top dog. The real question is why. Was it for God's glory, to genuinely serve the body of Christ? or for his own glory and sating his own ego? Ol Craig has proven the latter, thus far.I sometimes hope he makes a genuine Godly comeback, like Darth Vader.

Looks like he truly did that.

What a shameless personal attack against someone you never met, someone who has done you no harm whatever, and someone who was just trying to do the will of God, like yourself. Bravo Rascal. What a bastion of love and kindness now that you're out of twi. Garth, whatever you choose to call this, I wouldn't call it widespread female gender bias, all across the ministry. Heck 99% of folks didn't even know this stuff was happening. Highlighting a few cases and saying its equal to widespread abuse, is not being fair or accurate with the facts. But that's what happens when one focuses only on the sins of people. You shant hear anything else. Oakspear, others opinions are definitely valid! But blanket false accusations like there was widespread female gender bias in twi, should be challenged. BTW, if what you're saying is really true, that there was widespread female gender abuse in twi, why oh why did you hang around for so long, or even go back? You had the chance at any time to leave, thank you very much. But you hung around, even with all this female abuse going on? and went back later on? Gag me Oakspear. The pot calling the kettle black. And who gives you the freedom in Christ to perpetually engage in bitterness, wrath, anger, malice and evil speaking? My bible says put that stuff away. Oh, but you're straighting folks out on how we Christians ought to think about our brothers and sisters in twi. The pot calling the kettle black. Vickles, there were just as many women in charge as men. Where have you been? I had just as many female coordinators during my stint, as males. IF there were this female gender bias you so love to embrace, why were fems allowed to runs twigs, branches, limbs? Teach classes and coordinate. Twi wouldn't have put women IN CHARGE of things, if they were thought of as inferior, or second class.And now back to your regularly scheduled thread... Simon, I think you'd have a point if folks knew she was capable of murdering her 5 children. But who knew that?

Steve, if I'm suffering from Tunnel Vision, then so are you my friend! What was I "sheltered" from? Perhaps not having to deal with a family who wasn't involved with twi, for years. Since my whole family was involved, it was a blessing. But the "connections" argument doesn't make my experience or opinions any less valid than yours, or anyone elses. Oh and btw, if you asked those of my family who are still alive, if there was widespread female gender abuse, they'd probably say it's preposterous, like I just have. What nonsense.

It's a cybermyth that there was widespread female gender abuse.I wouldn't have been involved in a group/movement for almost 20 years, had there been widespread female abuse in it. That's preposterous.

It's a myth women were victims in twi. Just another myth, from the Victim Mentality Propaganda cyberworld, to brainwash the weakminded into believing that women in twi were/are victims. Like some massive gender bias? Blahah. Balderdash.Except for VP Wierwille and a few others, I think the women in twi were running the show just as much as the men; in the case of the wives, perhaps from behind the scenes instead of upfront. And single women always had lots of ability and powerful functions and positions in twi. They still do. And who's running the show now?

Wow. :)-->

Ebay should probably suspend his account(s). Once they do that, he's unable to open another ebay account where he lives. But that doesn't mean he can't open one at some other location... Have you notified the police?

Boy, ain't that got a ring of truth to it... Here's one: A man goes to see the Rabbi. "Rabbi, something terrible is happening and I have to talk to you about it." The Rabbi asked, "What's wrong?" The man replied, "My wife is poisoning me." The Rabbi, very surprised by this, asks, "How can that be?" The man then pleads, "I'm telling you, I'm certain she's poisoning me. What should I do?" The Rabbi then offers, "Tell you what. Let me talk to her. I'll see what I can find out and I'll let you know." A week later the Rabbi calls the man and says. "I spoke to your wife...spoke to her on the phone for three hours. You want my advice?" The man said yes, and the Rabbi replied, "Take the poison."

Was reading in todays paper that analysts estimated Apple sold more than 4 million iPods during the holiday season and that that could push the number of iPod users to 10 million. In response to the high popularity of iPods, electronic makers are going to make adapters so drivers can use their vehicle stereo controls to run their iPod, instead of fiddling with the unit itself. Some of these are Pioneer Electronics, Clarion, and Alpine Electronics (already noted by Paw). New BMW cars already have them available. :)-->

Johniam, why do you hate women? Why? Why? Why?

Garth, why didn't you say that in the first place? Well, I just disagree. I still do believe in spirits, both good and evil. I also believe that some evil spirits can be rendered ineffective thru some medications. I believe in medicine too.