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David, I never realized that Dasani and Aquafina water are oxygenated also. Do you know how much oxygen they have as opposed to Penta? Also, what do you make of the claim by hiOsilver water that glass bottled water retains the oxygen better than plastic bottles?

Wordwolf, You may have a point, if the Apostle Paul mentioned Alexander the Coppersmith's sins almost every day, for 20 years. Now maybe some folks would consider endlessly mentioning Alexander's evil works "the introduction of light" oh glow-ray -- but I would call condemnation of that frequency more like mega-preoccupation with evil things of the past, and the endless perpetuation of victim mentality -- as if nothing else matters other than Paul mentioning for decades how he was abused by Alexander. JB has it right ... there's no need for another website to talk about how evil twi was and is, ad nauseam. We have one up and running that's doing just fine. :)-->

What's wrong with talking about eternity in a thread about reality checks? Hmmm?

I'm with JB on the aforementioned point. Forgetting, or refuting, or killing the past, and reaching forth to the future, is a Christian concept, and those who practice those things shouldn't be condemned for it. Why don't you condemn the Apostle Paul for writing it, and God for authoring it? What makes you so right, those of you who endlessly focus on past sins of others?

I've thought about this some. Why is twi reality different from ours? Because TWI folks live in a reality that includes what happens in all eternity. i.e. spiritual realities. It has a big consideration. What happens in eternity, from a biblical perspective, is far different than what we experience here in the U.S., i.e. what we need to do for retirement, what we need to do with family, etc. etc. Think about it ... in eternity we will be in subjection to one God, one Lord, we will be taking orders, or put mildly, gladly following precepts from one source. Sound familiar? When we became Christians, we bought into this concept didn't we? Some of us hung around twi for 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years. We liked it. So why do some think it so bad, or cultish, that folks think this way? Jesus Christ is reality. For all I know, there may be some folks in twi that live in a greater reality than I, where God and Christ in concerned. I'm not in their shoes.

Mr. Hammeroni, 45 times? Ya sure got your moneys worth! I wish each PFAL segment was on the net -- That way we may scrutinize and debate more accurately. :)-->

Mike, how do you reconcile VPW's apparent error in PFAL, when he said there was no word "lama" in aramaic? Would you state for the record now that there is a word lama in aramaic? if so, how does that fit with VPW's teaching? personally, I don't and can't believe that Jesus asked God "why has thou forsaken me"? Doesn't make sense with the rest of scripture, and VPW's teaching makes a great point when he asked, "would YOU abandon YOUR DYING SON?" who would? So I tend to agree with Lamsa anyway because his translation agrees more with scripture and logic. But, there is a word lama in aramaic, isn't there?

Some of you folks are just something. You complain about everything, now the Family Tables? Is there anything you don't complain about? Ha ha. Ummm, how come you folks who are so concerned about Free Thought, never uttered a syllable about the Juedes Website, which NEVER has allowed difference of opinions? Hmmmm? You Holier Than Thou Freedom Lovers of Diverse Thoughts, I shant call you hypocrites, that's be wrong. Oh Glow-ray!

Thanks for the explanations David. Been riding the bikes all winter...just went out yesterday in fact. Riding in frozen weather is brutal.:)-->

Do any of you 6 corps folks remember the poor soul who got thrown into that cold filthy dirty swamp on their birthday? Some people actually thought that was funny. ugh...

All those cups are mighty fine. oh glow-ray :D-->

Vickles I read your story and don't have anything useful to contribute except that what I have found working in offices for over 20 years is that I believe one gets the best results when one keeps their mouth shut and does their work. I don't go to work to socialize and make friends. If I want to socialize, I do it on my own time, during lunch hour or before or after work, not on the bosses time. Perhaps this person was annoyed because of that? You being all friendly and all and it looks like you're not giving an honest day's work? Don't know, I'm only guessing. That person shot themselves in the foot by giving that ultimatum. However, if I were you, I'd just watch my back, and look busy. :)-->

I own shares in a cooperative, and have an adjustable rate mortgage with Charter One. No problems here. Rate goes up and down depending upon how the market goes. But the rate cannot go more than 2% higher in a single year, which is a good safety. Doesn't pay to refinance.

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mstar who's that gal with the big :D-->

It all depends upon your point of view. Where twi got it wrong was when they taught that everything that happens to you both pos. and neg. is because of your believing. We learn from experience that things happen both good and bad whether or not one believes, so that's one teaching in PFAL I'd scrap. But it says someplace in the bible that all good things are from above. Now that's something I can take to the bank. Connecting all the good things in your life to God, and being thankful to God for them, is a great way to live in peace and harmony. :)-->

Zixar, I am taking Alpha Lipoic Acid, which is an antioxidant. Are you saying that the use of Penta and other oxygenated water works against these antioxidants? Also are free radicals the same as "free oxygen"?

Spring is getting closer

Hi Hockeynutt :)--> Hey what the h is going on this year with hockey? I'm not a fan but read that the season is off?

This is just another one of those rules that transformed into massive legalism in the 1990's. VPW once said that mortgages for homes were ok. I never had a problem with twi employees not being allowed to getting mortgages. Sounds awful I know, but if you're a salaried employee, then twi is paying for your housing anyway, so why should you OWN a house on my dime? But then they obviously took steps further as folks have attested to. Is it really true that family coordinators can't have a mortgage? You mean to tell me that twi would rather not have a fellowship in that area, a solid family with a mortgage can't serve as twi coordinators? That sounds awfully strange, why would they mandate that on the FC level, won't they be cutting off their noses to spite their faces? As of 1991 (the last time I attended fellowship) this mandate wasn't true. If it exists today, it's really dumb.

Mike, I thought the greatest way to take PFAL was a one week vacation, at a PFAL camp. :)--> Why do 3 weeks when you can do the whole job in one? No distractions, no traffic, no worry about getting to work in the morning. Devotion with motion. Expressive arts. Country bliss.

In the early 1970's, things were different. Excited ever increasing crowds make for exciting times. Back in those days, you'd see a new face almost every fellowship. Didn't worry about one or two who decided not to show the next time, cause you had five new folks over there. It becomes irksome and grevious when the same old 8-10 people come week after week, month after month, year after year. No new folks equals dead twig. Booooooooooooring. Then the coordinator has to watch out for every leaf individually, cause that's all he has. Fear sets in. He wonders whether the twig is alive or dead. What if one or two doesn't show? Gotta put more controls on, cause gee that means they don't want to be here. They're cop outs, they need more commitment. uh oh. Is this twig dying? yes. And so you have that spiral towards defeat.

Give'em time Vickles. Rome wasn't built in a day. :)-->

Thanks folks. That's why I tip my hat to anyone who actually went back, after leaving or getting dismissed. It must have been hard enough to finish the program, but imagine going back after leaving. Geeze. That took so much guts and determination to do it all over again. More than I was able to muster.