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I chose mostly good with a few errors, which is what I have believed for quite a number of years now. :)-->

Great news Danny, be safe. :)-->

Four Score and seven years ago... our Mothers brought forth upon this continent a New Nation conceived in oh never mind.. It's the Weekend! ! ! ! ! !

2% Spiritualist? I just knew that trapped door was open somewhere. :D-->

I sometimes wonder if his campaign against homos has anything to do with retaliation against Donna & Rosalie's "special friendship".

Wow, that's definitely some new doctrine that VP never taught. Holy moley

Oakspear, I believe you're right on the money. I shouldn't have gotten defensive with my SIT beliefs. I am actually open to hearing more. Of course, along with the info. Goey provided I also am examining JE Stiles and BG Leonard books, folks that don't have the same negative baggage as VP. Practically the same stuff but just in case some get turned off by VP... Anyway, this thread is helping me re-examine my beliefs, which is a good thing. :)-->

I don't mind going by that, but I have a problem with a double standard. For instance, if we say we got blessed from God alone and forget about where or who we got it from, fine. But to be fair, in that case we really should say we got hurt and abused from the Devil alone, and forget where or who we got THAT from as well. IF we're talking spiritual sources, let's talk spiritual sources exclusively. Put another way, if you blame VPW for being an evil SOB, then I believe to be fair you also should consider giving him some credit for the good works he managed to accomplish.

That's a far cry from what we once were taught, isn't it outandabout? Goodness gracious if that's what they really believe its bad over there. They need PFAL. :D-->

I will freely concede one point:if Christianity is a hoax, then what I received of the truth (or so proclaimed) in twi-1 was a hoax.

You are making a conclusion that twi (the twi I once knew) "masqueraded" as ministering for God. But evil was not the only thing that occurred. This is why I keep mentioning the point that the only things you are really considering in your viewpoint are the evil works of some. That's why you consider everything twi as merely a masquerade, a hoax, a sham, to lure the innocent people in. You miss everything else. Consider that if evil works of some defines the whole, and that's all that matters; then this country, this world, the history of our planet and our solar system is forever corrupt, hell in a handbasket without redemption.

I don't know. I suppose one can "logically" point out there is no God as well.But the Ford never explained Henry. I will read the links Goey supplied. :)-->

Try to forget twi for a moment...Do you feel betrayed that God has put you in a world where people hurt and kill other people and God doesn't intervene? Where we live in a country that has killed innocent people and God allows this? I could go on and on...but I see the implications of your focus and it's a lot bigger than twi...

Some of you just minimize God's blessings in peoples lives. Make them of none effect. I'm sorry to say I think some of your minds have been corrupted. I still love ya tho. :)-->

I've already proven it to myself and been doing it for 32 years, which is all the proof I need. If at this stage you believe you were taught the counterfeit tongues in twi, I can't stop you and not trying to stop you or try to dissuade you. But you already know what I've been taught and you once believed. Therefore, I assume that since you think it's a counterfeit, you have something better? So why not help us unknowledgable and errant Christians walking in darkness to do better? I believe it is incumbent upon those who say it's false to prove it, not the other way around. You seem to have the light, ok, shine the light. Since you have a better way, I'm all ears. :)-->

CM, check out the Lemonade Stand thread. :)-->

I do not believe God called Mo and her children and so many others to be destroyed, inside twi or out.Now you're asking why God allows evil and I said before that I believe it was best explained in PFAL. It was answered to my satisfaction in PFAL. God is the author of blessings and goodness. All good blessings and gifts come from Him. However, we are living in this world, the god of this world is Satan, and we also are prone to getting hit by him in this world, yes, even from people who are saved, even from Christians who have done the truth and do the truth and God's will are prone to committing evil and sins and bad stuff. God doesn't control man's freedom of will, and man is free to sin in this day and time. God doesn't have much to do with that except try to dissuade it; sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

It actually is. Killing them doesn't mean they aren't saved.

"Prove all things, hold fast that which is good" "Retain with conviction the faithful word" Speaking in tongues has been a large part of my life for 32 years. So if someone thinks its counterfeit, fine, show me something that makes sense or show me the real deal. I invite those who think tongues are counterfeit to prove it. I've read and considered what Goey and others have written and they don't prove that what I do is counterfeit and don't show us the real McCoy, if mine is counterfeit. Therefore, I'm not going to stop speaking in tongues because of some people's doubts and unbelief. And "it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Show me the real deal... :)-->

Do they really believe gays can't be saved? Now that's a switch from the good 'ol days of salvation a la Romans 10:9. :)-->

I am a fan of Bill O'Reilly, and he's on a campaign of sorts to get Jessica's Law put on the books in all 50 states. Jessica's Law was passed in Florida and slaps on a mandatory 25 year sentence for sexual assault on a child. Last night Bill had on the publisher of NH biggest newspaper, chided him for not doing anything much against child abuse, not many editorials, etc. I think Bill is doing a great job and should be supported. Keep up the good work. Jessica's Law is good. Protecting the Kids

Because you minimize the impact God has had on people's lives while simultaneously augmenting the evil that some men have perpetrated, to the point that the goodness and blessings that came from God doesn't matter, only the evil counts for anything.

Belle, if you consider what I said to Goey a personal attack, you really are nuts. I still love ya. Have one on me.

Lousy point.God gave man freedom of will and man sins, does evil, make mistakes, gets possessed, whatever you call it. Satan is the god of this world, has authority to work in the here and now. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. Better to blame man (which you do all the time anyway, those whos sins you magnify) or the Devil, but not God.

Allan don't go down there. It's all a conspiracy to get you to go to the basement. :D-->