oldiesman

A La Prochaine, I don't deny bad things happened in twi. But it seems so obvious to me that folks made decisions in their lives and now some regret those decisions and boldly blame twi, as if it's always twi's fault. ptwooee...

Then they shouldn't have volunteered. They didn't have to. They could have just been Joe Believers.But the corps was a program that had rules. You had to abide by those rules to remain...all of us did. Therefore if you signed up for the Corps, you were placing your life under those rules. Nobody to blame but yourself if you didn't follow the rules or had misgivings later on. Yeah BM was meant to be insulting, did you not read "oldiesboy" or is it just me you are reproving cause you get off on dissecting most everything I write? You're so good at that, WordWolf.

just conveying the experiences as I saw them, BM.

Mr. Hammeroni: All this could be true. The commitment could have been of God in the first place.Looking at it from the corps viewpoint, "giving them slack" would mean the corps would abandon their rule by allowing a couple to have a child while still in the program. na na na nah That would open a can of worms so the choices they apparent had was abort the fetus and continue in the program, or leave the program. Apparently they were told that their commitment to God was more important than having their baby. I think twi should have stayed out of this judgment because it's obviously up to the couple, or even better yet, kept their mouths shut and just dismissed the volunteers from the program since they broke the rules under their circumstances. Good for her, I bet she's happy she made that decision and didn't allow others to dictate her actions. Not unusual. Very little on those programs, quite regimental. Who said this, VP? I am surprmised if he did but who knows, he apparently screwed up quite a bit unbeknownst to the rest of us... If they went in the Corps, they probably had not many material possessions to begin with.Were they not allowed to go back to fellowship? Not allowed to reapply to the Corps at a future date? Many were, so their particular treatment is beyond me. Why were others treatment different so that they got to twig and reapplied at a later date? However I admit it's possible their treatment was that bad, God knows I wasn't there to witness that.

Mr Hammeroni: I don't understand what you mean here. I see this as they were dropped because the woman chose to bring the baby to term, and having a baby was not allowed in their circumstances, so therefore they disqualified themselves from their corps commitment. But you said they tried to continue under their existing circumstance? How could they since the woman decided to have the baby and therefore they were dropped... I guess I'm not understanding the story...

That was the door we walked thru when we didn't want to be involved anymore.It was always open. Jesus Christ is the beloved.We were accepted in the beloved, going to twig even though we broke our corps commitment. I obverved these things not just me but others who didn't follow thru with their Corps commitments. Joy and happiness in twig were available to those who didn't finish their corps commitments or thought it wasn't for them or thought it was too hard or extreme for them. It certainly wasn't an easy thing, it was very hard but healing was available as well. That is what I observed. For the sake of argument, let's say breaking the corps commitment meant breaking fellowship with God.Ok.. How did we get back in fellowship with God?...

There was always a choice, and if a participant didn't want to finish their corps commitment, fellowship was always available. The door was always available as well. I remember something here: I sponsored a corps gal who quit the corps 3 months prior to her graduating! How crazy I thought, for her to do that. THAT ACT teed me off, because among other things I shelled out money to have her go thru the corps program only to have her quit before she graduated. All this unbeknownst to me. BUT, that was her choice. After that, she was still welcome at twig after that, still accepted in the beloved.

Yes, I still believe what we were taught in PFAL.Man was the ruler of this world until he transferred rulership over to satan, who is now the god of the world, who has the ability and willingness to cause these unnatural calamities that kill people. HOWEVER, let's not blame the devil for everything. Last night O'Reilly had on a scientist who wrote a paper a few years ago submitting that a hurricane greater than level 3 would wipe out New Orleans. They were warned, but didn't improve their levees when they had the chance. So it appears that it was a calamity waiting to happen. :(-->

When you say "we" who do you refer to and how can you speak for everyone else?Besides, I saw lots of folks who walked in love. Even I did every now and then. :D-->

I think success under these circumstances is many folks in the offshoots and elsewhere continuing in the good doctrine while simultaneously abandoning the bad doctrine and practices.Keeping the baby and throwing out the bathwater, as they say. Keeping the gold from Egypt, as they say. I think some of the offshoots are doing an admirable job (much better than twi is) of holding fast to the good doctrine and practice without all the negative baggage of twi. I also consider some of the good doctrine some of the most controversial elements of Christianity, like manifestations of the spirit, JCING, ATDAN, etc., some things that are certainly at least food for thought to the readers.

We also had people who believed and acted on the Word of God...I miss Elena...first met her in 1973 at my first PFAL class on Shelter Island in July of 1973. I will never forget those evenings she led the "Hillside Sings". Went over her apartment a few times in Manhattan. First met Murphy P.G. there, strangely enough,...just in from Oklahoma. Elena and I kept in loose contact for a number of years. Always pleasant to be around and talk to. She also went on the motorcycle trip with us in 1984...she wrote a nice day by day journal about it which I still treasure. Last time I saw her was at the ROA in 1989... I think she left twi shortly after that. She was one of those pleasant kind believers who made twi a nice place to be, once upon a time.

When you consider the success of the offshoots, coupled with the effects of the meanness of L. Craigo driving tons of folks out who may very well still be there had there been more love in twi-2, you may come to the conclusion that lots of folks believe that most twi doctrine was correct for a very long time, and probably still do.

Coolchef, I concur.The 70's were great but I had the time of my life going on the 1 month motorcycle trip with Dr. & Mrs. and the believers. They took VP's motorcoach and way prods. motorcoach and there was no hanky panky on those coaches as far as I know. :D--> We did visit a striptease establishment upon our arrival in Canada.

Right that VP and Terrell didn't author it. I'd be willing to bet a few bucks that the author is anonymous.

I'm sure you're right Belle.

Terrell Yarbrough

Glad having been involved, and glad to be out. :)--> Do or do not.There is no try! Yoda. ;)-->

I chose mostly good with a few errors, which is what I have believed for quite a number of years now. :)-->

Great news Danny, be safe. :)-->

Four Score and seven years ago... our Mothers brought forth upon this continent a New Nation conceived in oh never mind.. It's the Weekend! ! ! ! ! !

2% Spiritualist? I just knew that trapped door was open somewhere. :D-->

I sometimes wonder if his campaign against homos has anything to do with retaliation against Donna & Rosalie's "special friendship".

Wow, that's definitely some new doctrine that VP never taught. Holy moley

Oakspear, I believe you're right on the money. I shouldn't have gotten defensive with my SIT beliefs. I am actually open to hearing more. Of course, along with the info. Goey provided I also am examining JE Stiles and BG Leonard books, folks that don't have the same negative baggage as VP. Practically the same stuff but just in case some get turned off by VP... Anyway, this thread is helping me re-examine my beliefs, which is a good thing. :)-->

I don't mind going by that, but I have a problem with a double standard. For instance, if we say we got blessed from God alone and forget about where or who we got it from, fine. But to be fair, in that case we really should say we got hurt and abused from the Devil alone, and forget where or who we got THAT from as well. IF we're talking spiritual sources, let's talk spiritual sources exclusively. Put another way, if you blame VPW for being an evil SOB, then I believe to be fair you also should consider giving him some credit for the good works he managed to accomplish.