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I don't know what a Wierwillite is, but since I believe most of what he taught, I guess I'll be called one. No offense taken.

"It's the stones in the brooke that make it sing" Golly, where have I heard that before?

Mark, that's not my style in most cases ... you want Wordwolf. :) The PFAL/STFI lesson is what I believe, at present; and it contradicts a key element of what this man apparently believes... i.e. God's sovereignty. Therefore, I thought that citing the teaching from STFI is best to show what I believe. They teach the topic better than me. If you feel strongly that God allows sickness and pain and it is a gift from Him, go ahead and make your arguments.

That's one reason why his viewpoint is so sick. Would you bestow upon a loved one, child, your pet ... a crippling and painful disease? IF I were God ... that believe would make me weep.

ckmkeon, With a few exceptions, I'm in agreement with you.

Does God permit evil? Here's an article from STFI which is the best article I've read on the net, on this topic. Does God Permit Evil?

Here's something nice to say about present-day TWI, if it is true: I heard a rumor that TWI is coming back to PFAL. PFAL classes are now allowed to be run. This is just a rumor; I don't know if it is true. If anyone has additional information, please post.

I vehemenently disagree that God gives us diseases and sicknesses to teach us a lesson, or to bring us closer to Him. In fact, I think that's sick. Would you give your children, loved ones, pets, etc. ... dreadful painful diseases to bring them closer to you?

In the sense of believing unto salvation, I understand what What the Hey means. In the sense of believing for red drapes, I understand what Raf means.

I think the Craig of the '70's and the Craig of the '90's were two different people, entirely. Thanks for your response Eagle.

Does "believing" work all the time? Yes, when one believes. Believe what? What God says is available, and what God has promised. Why? because God promises it and He says it is available. I think some folks get hung up on the word "law". Take the word "law" out. It is redundant.

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Eagle, I think you were right in your assessment about use of the word "host" and "hostess", however, I think you were wrong in how you handled it. I did that once, reproved Craig in front of the whole lunchroom, while I was in the Corps. Even though I was correct, I felt really bad later doing it that way .... I could have easily done it privately if it was such an important issue. I felt like a real idiot making a public spectacle of myself. Went to Craig's office later and apologized, and he accepted my apology.

Waterbuffalo, I think the phenomenon you speak of is not unique to twi or twi-related groups.

I was participating in twi events for 19 years, but at various times during those 19 years, I chose not to participate, so I know what it is like to depart and what that feels like as I felt it more than once. Do you still believe in speaking in tongues? The best advice I can give you is to ask God to help you. When I feel consumed with trouble ... among other things I pray in tongues much, and also with my understanding, casting those cares on God. SIT is a continuous comfort for me.

I totally agree.

They were both remarkably similar in the sense that both taught that sin does not separate people from God, among other similar teachings. Here's an excerpt from one of Dr. Luther's statements: From "Let Your Sins Be Strong, from "The Wittenberg Project"; "The Wartburg Segment", translated by Erika Flores, from Dr. Martin Luther's Saemmtliche Schriften, Letter No. 99, 1 Aug. 1521.)

They were in full agreement that God did not forsake Jesus, and STFI adds more from there. If VP missed the idea that Jesus was actually quoting from Psalm 22, and if Jesus actually was, then VP missed it. Nobody really knows for sure. STFI's teaching is compelling, but even STFI says that shabak can be translated "reserved" or "kept" which is what VP taught. The main point, I believe, is that God did not forsake Jesus, and we readily see that from other scriptures, from what subsequently happens after, and from good old common sense.

Mike, here's one that's not true: "Tithing brings wings to life"

Right on WhiteDove. Another example of an additional VP source is Martin Luther. Remember the books we were encouraged to read and the film about Martin Luther .... justification by faith... not by works. VP taught these things and showed us his source. And if VP is a false prophet, so is Luther.

Excellent points Lookout. Phantommeister, another point that crossed my mind was application of the Golden Rule, in this situation.

The worst recurring dreams I have is when I literally have to pee, and I am dreaming I am in a bathroom ready to pee. Wonder what it means. :)

But suppose they never leave twi? Suppose you get to have YOUR part, but your sister doesn't get to have HER part? Hatred of twi notwithstanding, that is not fair to your sister, is it? Putting myself in your sisters shoes, I would want to be treated fairly. That means that if your parents are distributing the money fairly and equally to their children, or try to, that your sister would have to get her piece of the pie just like you do, regardless of her chosen religion. You think you may know what's best for your sister and her children? How will she react when she finds out you are trying to influence your parents decision because of your dislike of twi?

The one I saw personally was tithing ("you cannot afford not to tithe" etc etc..) and I overcame that fear when I experimented a little and quit tithing and discovered that God was still blessing me. That was my experience, even though I cannot prove that tithing doesn't bless folks since there are others who have said so.