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After reading many many posts on here I must say I'm thankful for this fact of myself. I read and reread the blue book I don't know how many times but never really got it or believed it for some reason. I believe in God and believe the bible is his word, therefore I had to definately learn to trust him and to believe but this is the way I think. I believe it when he says to trust him and have no fear but that doesnt mean I have ever been opposed to say seeking a doctor for my child when they needed it. Some may say well then you didn't believe God. I say quite the contrary, I just believe God can work in the doctor. As for material abundance or safety or any other thing you want to put in the category of you must believe God for it, I say this.... God said he would take care of me but that doesnt mean I shouldn't be wise about things just because I confessed his word orally and it also doesn't mean I shouldn't do my part such as work or the such. So call me simple I believe God and try not to fear but this world is a scary place at times.

I'm in the same boat Michael, what the heck is a WayGB?

Friends? I was taught that I was to have no friends when it came to the word and guess what....thats true! I can honestly say that in my life I really have no friends. (tears) Sure I have my kids whom I'm a friend to. I still have my Lord Jesus Christ and oddly enough if you have read my story at all you may find this odd but I have my mom. But other then that I have no real honest to goodness friends here on earth. (tears)

Well I guess I can add my two cents here since I do have free will, right? Yes, ok yeah thats what I was taught. So anyway, I happened to come here for help a few years back which I so thankfully received. You see I was in a position of possibly going back to my little splinter group but once I was finally privy to the whole story I decided against it. Now to my point... why am I back do you ask? Well you see this same junk that started way back is still going on and on and on so it only serves to continue to keep up with the truth being rehashed as you say. I can totally appreciate your point, honestly I can and if you choose not to come here more power to you but I'll tell you this...my baby is still in the junk pile as are many of my dear friends so if I can come here in search of a little more information that may help them I will. To all of you who have so lovingly or even angrily shared your experiences I say thank you and share on!

Ok so here we go... I was accepted and I spoke in tongues to prove it! I threw myself headlong into everything. I ate, slept and breathed the word. Talk about climbing a ladder quickly. Dave and I became the twig leaders assistants. Life was going at a pace I never expected and honestly things were good for a while. SV and I ran a childrens fellowship in my apartment every week which I enjoyed greatly. MV and I or sometimes just myself would run childrens fellowships on Sunday mornings. Our twig was very sweet, we all seem to really care for one another and we even had fun. If it could have only stayed that way. :( To this day I don't know what happened between Dave and I, I believe he was jealous so to speak. I don't think he expected me to rise up like I did but whatever the reason I rose and he descended. Our lives became quite the mess. It was like he lost all spark to him and there was no way I could help him. We began to fight about everything. There would be days on end that we wouldn't even talk. Our sex life became next to nil and that was the introduction to violence in our home. I tried everything I could to be what I believed the word told me I should be. I cooked and cleaned constantly. I was always trying to do little things to show him my love, you know, love notes in the lunchbox, keeping myself as pretty as I could be, making sure everyone knew he was head no matter what, nothing worked. Deep inside I was so hurt because I thought if I could only.... but it only caused me to fall into depression. I kept it to myself for the longest time, believing it would all work out because with God on my side I couldn't lose. I was determined to make it all ok.

Hi Oldskool, I was never in The Way Ministry but in a little splinter group in Finlayson Mn, when I came here to GS it was all the junk that I read about the true Way that really opened my eyes to what was going on in my group, which fortunately caused me to never go back. Praise God! So please share away. Welcome by the way! :)

Oh the old nasty lockbox ...., I wish I'd never heard of it and certainly wish I never taught it to my children. :(

Hi Jeff and thank you Shellon. I believe since I started telling my story here and I left of before we moved up north thats where I will begin again. I may not have dates like so many of you all but the hurt, pain and anger is still the same. :(

Geesh and I thought the monkey was bad!

Wow! the attention to detail in your story is amazing. It's a shame that the best stories are usually those of such heartache and sorrow. By best I don't mean I am happy you went through any of this of course but that you share it well. I'm sorry for all the pain you have suffered but trust that it will have a sweet ending. (hugs)

Hi Highway, I can sadly concur with Jeff's telling you about MF and his family moving to Washington. It hurts me too, I seen them just the other day while taking 1 last opportunity to try to help my own daughter see the evil which is happening within this group before she moved to washington herself. My words unfortunately fell flat to her ears at this point :(. MF had helped me alot over the years in certain situations while I was in the group and it breaks my heart to see him follow in the destructive path. I can only continue to pray for them all.

It's such a shame that over the years I too have stayed generally silent. There have been reasons for it. For so long and even still today somewhat, I have fear of speaking evil of brethren although it is true. Great shame and embarrassment has been another issue not to mention not even really knowing who to share things with. But at this point for loves sake I have decided to speak as much as I can to whomever will listen. There is no fear in love, right? Being in the same little splinter group that Jeff was in, I know all the hurt, anger, frustration and every other adjective you can think of when we go back and think about all those years wasted (IMO) on a self righteousness, maniplutive, glory monger. If I can stop even just 1 more person from being hurt by this man and his group, I will share what I know.

Oh I so agree, the time I have missed! Then in the burns I was talked into burning even pics of events and times we did have. :(

You sit up all night worrying about what may be the last time you ever see your child again because the next day you will meet with her and tell,ask,beg and plead her to leave like you did and why.

Posted 17 October 2009 - 11:44 AM I heartily agree with those who say to start with a clean slate, to question everything that was taught. I have run across many people who claim to have "checked out" what was taught in TWI, but have only done so wearing PFAL-colored glasses, i.e., reading scriptures in light of what Wierwille taught, using Wierwille's definitions and Wierwille's assumptions, including made-up definitions of Greek words, distinctions between words that were nonexistant and leaps of illogic. Tzaia mentioned reading the gospels as written to us, not just "for our learning. That's a great example right there. Wierwille taught (and he may have gotten this from Bullinger) that scripture was either "to us" or "for our learning" (i.e. not to us). When it says that that which was written aforetime was written for our learning, why should we assume that that's the opposite of "to us", or that "for our learning" and "to us" are mutually exclusive. That was a conclusion that Wierwille came to that I don't believe is warranted. Even if you want to believe that some scripture is not written to us, where do you draw the line at "aforetime"? Why Pentecost? Why not before Jesus' ministry? This isn't an agrument against or in favor of "not all scripture is to us", but a point to show that Wierwille's conclusions are not necessarily correct for all that he acted as if his take was the only logical and/or godly conclusion I was talking to my 19 year old son about this very thing last night. He said, "What do I believe now? Was it all a lie?" All I told him is to take it slow and after all these years, make it your own. God is still God and loves him regardless of what men say or do. Take the simple things he knows are good, such as put away lying and be ye kind one to another and run with those. Because in a cult or not those are just good simple ways of life. I also added as an after thought that if God isn't even real when all this is said and done (which of course I don't believe) we can't go wrong by doing those things that are right and if we die and it was all a lie then all we are is dead anyway so what the heck.

Reproof ....aka....Look out, run for cover, I had a bad day and in the love of God I'm giving it to you.

Here he is Benjamin Dwight born Oct. 17th at 11:06PM weighing in at 5lbs, 7oz, 18.5" long, Very Easy Birth! Extra Thanks to Pond for calling Grandma! Our new Greaser! Hope to talk to you all soon!

Hi Warren, I wasn't even in TWI and Grease Spot to me has been nothing but a place of healing for me because even though you may think TWI is dead, it still lives on through many splinter groups that ruin lives, break hearts and physically, mentally, and spiritually crush people. Being one of those people who believed the lies perpetuated by TWI and then passed down to us I am very thankful for a place I can come now to either air my heart out or just get a good laugh with people who understand me when I'm having a hard day. I pray for you the same thing.