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Thomas, he doesn't say he's a preacher of any kind, just that he has a BA in Theology. (Well, so do I... issued by TWI. I also have real degrees, in very difficult subjects, from properly accredited organisations.)

I would love to hear Timlee's accounts of just some of the times he has confronted Way leadership. Details of who, what was said, when, and what was the cause of the confrontation. There must be much to learn, in his accounts.

Interesting article, Rocky. ...Be wise [cautious] as a serpent...

Nauseating, sure is. More violent than TWI but still the emotional scarring for the victims. The strange thing about this cult is that it was started by a woman. Hey, you guys, it's fine to have freedom of religion. But freedom to abuse? Abuse individuals by these wicked acts? Abuse the Lord by taking his name in vain, using it as a disguise for the works of the devil? There's a lot to be said for more organised, mainstream religious entities. Not saying the mainstream churches are without fault (noted the abuse by the RC church over decades) but at least there are some checks on more obviously egregious behavior.

Jim Jack, if you want to know about awesome teachers and people who do awesome things, I'd love you to come with me to either of the two churches I regularly attend, spend time with the ministers there and with the congregations, and come out with us on some of our many and varied genuine outreach and assistance events. You will find many who walk the talk, and talk the walk. There are many people who are worthy of national and international respect, genuine scholarship, genuine very high level appointments (one is chaplain to the Queen), one is a peer of the realm (a genuine aristocrat) - and all are so humble, quiet, gentle, and inclusive. There are no TV evangelists, but from time to time the BBC broadcasts the Easter or a Christmas service from Bath abbey (where the Queen's chaplain has his "regular job" as the Rector of the abbey) and the rector is the nicest man who really points the way to Jesus and honours God. You want what he's got, not because he "sells" it in loud manner, but because of his quietness, peacefulness and confidence in the Lord. The peer has set up many programs to assist homeless and vulnerable people and is a real "mover and shaker" to get things done that bring Christ to the overlooked, and to build Christian unity among believers. Yet he's so self-effacing that he is easy to overlook. I know of several who have given land or large amounts of money for community projects (it's taken me a long time to find this out because they don't shout about it). I know people who have very little in financial terms, but spend their time and energy tirelessly doing things that benefit their community, because of their love for Christ and their desire to show that love. In fact, I could write a very long list of awesome but very humble people that I meet through these churches and the other very active churches, of all denominations, throughout this city. Jim Jack, I can arrange meetings for you with some mightily awesome Christian folks, who from genuine Christian love seek the wellbeing of their community in a huge variety of ways. I can't promise splashy miracles. I can promise genuine heart and genuine and observable turn-round in a myriad of ways, in people's lives. Please let me know when you would like to come with me.

T-Bone, I always read your posts with great interest. :)

Who? What? Where? When? How? And beware those articles that give you information overload - only it's not information, it's just words, words, words. I like to read articles with a mental red pen to cross out all the "filler" words and pseudo or irrelevant information. Sometimes there's not much left! And when I'm reading a news report, I mentally substitute loaded verbs with more neutral ones. "Admit" is a good one for that: try using a word like "acknowledge" or "concur" or even just "said."

But Sky, you know you had to go about in pairs, 2 x 2, you and your wife together. You know you aren't capable of doing things alone. So why did you need two cars? /sarc/ Maybe they wanted y'all to use those pedal cars that kids play with. That'd save loads on gas, regardless, tires, etc. Hey, good idea! What a load of bullocks.

You make interesting points about the ft corps timeline. Twas shortly after they kicked me out, with max ignominy. But if I'd been there, there would have been both me and my fiance to support as ft corps. That would have meant 6 FT corps to, what, 20 committed wayfers. Be kind... 40 wayfers. Unsupportable in so many ways. Get rid of me, my fiance also goes, hey presto, 2/3 the bill goes.

Good on Lindsay. All power to her elbow as she exposes even more of the corrupt evil of RRF.

I hear ya, chocky. Absolutely.

Not sure that I believe we only get rewards at the bema. There are rewards in this life too. Restoring the years that the locust has eaten isn't a promise for a future life or wherever - it may be, but it also means in this present life. Our lives should demonstrate God's faithfulness to His promises. Did God not reward Job's faithfulness openly, right there and then? Many OT examples. The gospels speak of this, too. For myself, I think the reward of peace of mind, joy in God's love, enjoying the fellowship of like-minded Christian friends, are all part of our "now" reward. Nice is there is something later;meantime, I'll enjoy the rewards (fruit of the spirit) now. Those frauds at TWI can't enjoy "fruit" rewards - their "rewards" are limited to Gal 5:19-21 only.

I still stand by this, my earlier post. And I think that the tell-all stories from Pen, KK, Kristen Stewart, Sky, etc are a part of their own cleansing and a part of their repentance, and in large part a way to help communities (including online) understand and heal. I would like to think that in their own ways they are also active in helping the physical communities around them. There are many ways to do that, only some of which involve church- or religious-based activities.

Plenty of information here about the calibre and credentials those putting together this REV. You wouldn't necessarily expect the authors of, say, Dick and Jane books to be as proficient in English literature as, say, Shakespeare or perhaps John Steinbeck or Mark Twain. So you would tend to take the D&J authors rather less seriously, if they were to announce D&J or any other like work, as a great work of literature. And if they launched into anything else, some other kind of writing, you'd expect peer review, support from established patrons or authors, etc. Without looking at REV, I'd be suspicious that it was the equivalent of kids' book authors trying to be literary giants. Just not quite the ring of credibility you'd want. Might be okay as froth, pulp fiction, but credible literature... no. Surely it's an author's role to convince his readers of his credibility and that its worth the reader's tIme to read - not the readers who have to make excuses or defend the work...?

Exactly, Sky. note that this report says he'said been "chosen" - not that he's been installed or commissioned or some such. if he has any sense at all (lol), his first act will be to force Rosalie's retirement, by whatever means he can. Don't see that happening any time soon, though

I take it Rocky and Bolshy don't want to see these glorious heroes again, can't say I blame them. Any takers? Offer open for one week only, then they get binned without being scanned for digital preservation.

I have been sorting out some ancient photos, 2 production jobbies from TWI, and before I biff them forever want to offer members of this group the opportunity to have their own copies. I know for many here these won't be popular. If you don't want to win approbrium on this, you can PM me if you prefer. Photos are: 1. ordination or induction or some such of Don W on October 2, 1977, VPW and two others; and 2. Installation of LCM on October 3, 1982 featuring him kneeling and the three trustees laying on hands.Please - no abuse to me, anyone wanting photos, or even concerning the individuals in the photos.

I still stand by this, my earlier post. And I think that the tell-all stories from Pen, KK, Kristen Stewart, Sky, etc are a part of their own cleansing and a part of their repentance, and in large part a way to help communities (including online) understand and heal. I would like to think that in their own ways they are also active in helping the physical communities around them. There are many ways to do that, only some of which involve church- or religious-based activities.

You don't like whistle blowers in general, then, MRAP? In context of stories here and loyalty, what loyalty is owed to an organization that was disloyal from the beginning toward the person posting? What do you think of posters here like Penworks and Karl Kahler, both of whom have produced books for profit. They weren't on the fringes. Or Skyrider, who has told his story in riveting installments but won't be selling for profit or at all? And he was definitely an inner circle person.

What we need to do here, MRAP, is (1) be honest; and (2) don't be gullible. No oaths of any kind required.

I would not give mine away, nor sell them. Wouldn't give them to a charity shop - except for one, JCOP, I think it was. I wouldn't want to inflict the misery on someone else's life that was inflicted on mine. TWI's name and address is in the books and I wouldn't want anyone contacting them. There are much better study materials available, as books and online, and a good church can help.

A few years ago, I was walking down the road and here come these JWS. I watched them door knocking and getting nowhere. I too paused and talked to them, told them much the same as you did, Sky, but I doubt it had any impact. But who knows what seeds are sown? I don't mind them, in fact they're sometimes genuinely helpful - and always sincere. But we know all about misguided sincerity, don't we!

I can tell you're having fun rummaging through old threads, higherground. Here's to thinking outside the PFAL book :)

Welcome back, stringy one. I kept forgetting my password and emailed Pawtucket to reset it for me. He did, a couple of times. No doubt one of the Mods could do that for you, not sure that Pawtucket deals much with this site now.

One of many beatings, possibly. Sex predators, especially on children, are fair game in many prison.