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Hello, MaddyWolf. Never a Wayfer - lucky lass, you. Just watched episode 6 (the Mexicans' visit). Yes, interesting delve into past lives of the main characters. I read the book decades ago and parts of it have "stuck" with me ever since. I heard the author speaking on the radio recently about the film adaptation. (She's a consultant or director or something on this latest version.) Her thinking is interesting. One of the things she said was that all the scenarios and incidents of women-abuse noted in the film have all happened, somewhere, at some time in the not too distant past. It's well acted as a movie. Chilling, but quite believable, in its way. Perhaps, even, not quite chilling enough?

rrobs: Of course I take your post personally: you kept addressing me as "you". That's personal. I probably know more about what goes on in this forum than you do (as I've been around just a little longer). Just because I don't go around quoting chapter and verse doesn't mean that what I say doesn't fit here. Heck, I might even have internalized some verses, "made them my own" (Wayferism) and come out with my own words (not parroting). But welcome. All are welcome here. Sometimes we talk about things in a roundabout way. Have a coffee and unwind a little.

Don't go there, WW...

Wow. All that great long post. And no Wayisms, either.

So this refers back to your original post. Which I had the courtesy to attempt an answer before, which you didn't seem to respond kindly to. Yes. Get the doctrine straight. That includes knowing all of the Bible, all the parts which for convenience only are referred to as OT, Gospels, and NT. Do not cherry pick verses. Do not twist them to make them read as you'd prefer them to. Do not ignore verses that you don't like. "Do" what you know to do: and understanding of the bigger picture will continue to grow. Personally, I don't "look at what God has already made [me]" I look at Him, and who (I perceive) He is. I look at Jesus, and who (I perceive) he is. I accept that I am deeply loved, chosen, and cared for. Because I am loved and cared for, I cannot but respond by being loving and caring back towards He who cares for me. I see that I am to be loving and kind towards others: so I am, as best I can be. I look at fellow Christians, to see how they devote their lives to service of the Lord. I can learn from them, too. If I spent my time looking at me, I'd be so aware of my flaws that I'd fail to do anything. Yet I know that others look at me, to see how I serve. So I try to present a good model for them, too. And acknowledge when I stuff up.

Thanks, I'm doing fine as I am without pondering "standing" and "state." You don't know what I study. You don't know what I have studied in the past. I can tell you what I don't study (have a guess, the initials PFAL might give you a clue). And you really don't know how my life has changed, post-TWI. (Nor, for that matter, do you know how badly it changed as a result of being "in.") Are you using the word "you" aimed at me specifically? Or would the word "one" express a more general point? Your post is quite hard to read. You might not think of it as jargon, but you express things in such a TWI-type of style, phraseology, that it comes across as Waybrained. Probably three or four Wayish expressions in every line. It can be helpful both for the speaker (or writer) and for the hearers (or readers), to find a different turn of phrase to express the same thing. Go on, challenge yourself!

Y'know, I have NEVER heard any other organization talk about "standing" and "state". Haven't thought of it for years. Rarely have I heard talk of one's "walk." I attend two very good churches regularly. I have heard much practical teaching and suggestions as to how to live life with Jesus as the focus. There is teaching of fellowship with Jesus, God and one another. There is teaching of relationship with Jesus, God and one another. There is teaching on repentance, forgiveness, and a good many other things. There is even, sometimes, confession of our shortcomings, in public prayer (in vague language along the lines of "we have done what we ought not to have done, and not done what we ought to have done." And then a public act of forgiveness. ("Jesus Christ cleanses you from all unrighteousness.") I spend time pondering right application of Biblical principle to situations. This time, such an action might be right. Next time, some other action might be right, and the first type of action quite wrong. To think one set of responses is always the right and only set of responses is to think too shallowly, too rigidly, too black and white. What, it seems to me, is always right is to consider whether one's actions are the most loving, most considerate, that can be achieved at that time. This talk of "standing and state" seems to me to smack of jargon and thus divisiveness. And thus, not loving.

Tell us all what you think, DWBH!!

The food was fine - there wasn't much of what you might call junk food. Many in my Corps lost weight. But they had plenty to lose. They looked a lot better for it, and were a lot fitter. I, on the other hand, put on weight - and I looked a lot better for it.

Yeah, but probably a bit ruder. Coarser.

And now back to our regularly scheduled program, "The Ceroc Teacher." Oh sorry, the Zero Teacher.

Heh, my Corps bros (also internationals) had a lot of fun on one occasion teaching Brit/Commonwealth slang to unsuspecting Americans. There are some words ...that you just don't use in polite society. Found out about it when someone came to me and said, "R and P say that this expression means..." and they watched my eyes grow wide and my jaw drop. "Hmm," said this person. "I didn't think it meant what they said it did."

Waysider, a "bog" is a very slangy none-too-posh term for a toilet. Lavatory. That thing you put turds down. ["Bog off" is a rather rude way of telling someone to go away. It's rather more offensive than telling someone to "bug off" or even to "bug(ger) off."]

Going south, probably.

It is a gorgeous location. I got myself exiled there and was more or less on my own for a week or so, before some other Corps were sent in to get ready for the family camps. A great big dorm, with just me in it. Used to get out of bed, go to breakfast, pausing on the steps down to gaze at the beautiful mountains in the distance. Seemed like Paradise. I did do one season of Family Camps, which was six (or was it eight?) one week camps, two weeks back to back and then a cleaning/turn-round week in between. It was hard work but I enjoyed it, being with the little kids and generally having fun. I do think that for the adults and older children, it was hard work. "Classes" all morning, communal lunch, a bit of free time in the afternoon, communal evening meal, and then more classes. Not much of a holiday, or time to fellowship with friends. For some perverse reason, I was assigned to flag-raising duty. Me?? A Brit? To perform this sacred American duty? (We don't care much for flags in the UK. Don't fly 'em much, don't particularly pay any attention. Show our patriotism in different ways.) Can only think that giving me flag-raising duty was to force me out of bed in the morning. I've never been a "morning person," so therefore anything involving getting up early (like snow clearance) was a task deliberately shoved my way. Others might have been genuinely pleased or felt honored to have done the flag-raising. Why give the job to someone who couldn't care less? It still puzzles me. It seemed (to me) to make a mockery of the task. Surely ... TWI wasn't mocking the USA?? Ho hum.

I figure that's about all the people on this campus that they can raise. And they don't look overly thrilled at the privilege of being there.

Very sorry for derailing your thread, Sky. You can tell T-Bone and me to "bog off" if you like. (Does that trans-a-late into American?)

"Turd of wisdom"? Turd of knowledge?

Didn't you mean feces-ious?

Naw... let's just blame the thief. The zero teacher.

So... if we can "blame" the "Zero" corps, can we also "blame" BG Leonard?

Hey, they could make a decent website, for one. And keep it up to date. For two, they could include a Contact Us email address. Not an invitation to write to them. It's just for show anyway. They don't need more followers, more money, more anything (except abusees). Just need to sit pretty with what they've got. There's enough in the bank to see them through till the leaders all drop dead. And then, there's always land they can sell off.

What does Mrs Wolf think? Was she a Wayfer? I'm sure Wayfers would have a very different take on it from non-cult viewers.

Based on the book by Margaret Atwood. Anybody been watching this? Set in the "not-too-distant future" (though the book was written in 1985) and portraying a fundamentalist "Christian" takeover of the USA. Everybody's afraid, everybody's spied upon. Well acted and rather frightening.

Presumably you've sent a copy to HQ? Let us know if there's any response. Not holding my breath, though.