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That was what my ONE THING thread was about. Which Mike successfully derailed until it got locked. I don't believe there is ONE THING or indeed ANY thing.

Mike, I do feel sorry for you. I am very glad that PFAL delivered you from the sin-bondage of the RC church and showed you much greater truths about who God is, and his desires for his people. I'm very glad. Not just for you, but for all those other people who learned a lot of stuff that their churches, RC or otherwise, hadn't taught them. Myself included! If you paid attention to the posts all over GSC, you would see many people saying, Glad I got in, glad I got out. Presumably they are "glad" for similar reasons. However, what any good Bible teacher should do is always point you in the direction of Jesus Christ, his accomplishments, and through him to God, the creator of our entire universe. It's hard enough to fathom Jesus; it's impossible to get a full comprehension of God - and not even a smidgeon of comprehension outside of Jesus, and what is written about him in the OT and in the gospels and in the epistles. Glory must go to God, and to Jesus. The bad Bible teacher constantly draws attention to him/herself, and replaces Jesus as the focal point through which we must pass. The RC church usurped this function by installing a "Pope" [Father] and imposing mini-popes (ministers, also called Father). We don't need these people: but they may serve as guides, teachers, those who help us on our way. Your "thesis" is absurd because you haven't learned to see Jesus, to see God (in your heart) because a man has interposed himself in the Sonlight. That man casts a very long shadow in your life. There are better Bible versions than what you call KJV, actually AV; my preference is for Holman Christian Standard Bible (very readable); others prefer NIV (I don't like it); others RSV. There is a choice available! But the central themes are the same (despite your argument to the contrary). You will not find deliverance, salvation, peace of heart, or "what you need in life" in the writings of a man, and especially not in the writings of a man whose lifestyle was so perverse. If he couldn't convince himself of how to live life - why on earth should he be able to convince anyone else? To the extent that you do find "what you need in life" in PFAL written material, have you thought why? It's because the scriptures that are quoted are satisfying that need. I am sorry for you, because you are trying so hard and apparently expending so much effort to find the right path. But you are looking in completely the wrong place. Can't you see the Lord himself holding out his arms ready to welcome you? Waving and saying, "Here! I'm over here, come this way!"

"...Learn how to distinguish truth from error..." Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

Oh, and newbies... LCM was definitely >>into<< seeking out that seed woman. As in into having sex with her. So it is well reported here at the Cafe, by those in the know (not that I'm gossiping... )

Heh, when I was clearing out all my PFAL stuff, I came across the video. I'd thought it good at the time. Looked at it again decades later and couldn't get past the first five mins. But hey, it burnt beautifully in the log burner!

He's a fool, So_Crates, or badly fooled, little difference here. I can't be bothered with him any more. I have things of genuine profit, to do. Prov 26:4 "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him."

That was PRECISELY why I started the ONE THING thread. But you wouldn't post on it, and it's now been locked. You've adequately demonstrated your ability to post here. What more "set up" can you possibly need?

I'm a zillion miles from "church lady," thanks. I'm a lawyer; it's my "legal hem" that you perceive (if anything). One that would keep on at any evasive witness, or partial documentation, until finally the truth emerges. If you have learned anything about "Christ formed" in the collaterals or Orange Book, do please post it. Your posts, however, indicate that this is a topic you're still "exploring," because it's inadequately covered in PFAL. Nobody wants to "pay better attention" to your posts; we're all bored by your evasive antics. That's why this thread is here: so that you can present a simple, clear, concise, ONE THING. If indeed there is ONE THING. Or ANY thing. Anyway. I'm bored. I'm done with this "witness." Dismissed. He has nothing to add. If anyone spots any new information, do please PM me

Wordwolf, appreciate your comment, but I really want this thread for ONE THING that Mike can tell us. Then that ONE THING won't get lost in clutter about other tangential issues. (Please don't respond here.) Noticeably, Mike hasn't posted anything substantive on this thread yet, too busy with the "God-breathed" thread.

I prefer to respond if someone asks me direct questions. Do you? And (as per the scriptures) I'm always ready to share how great my God is and speak of his wonders. Are you? ONE THING, Mike. ONE THING.

Good clip, Rocky. And even an angry man, to really help those who became used to "leaders" who like to yell.

Mike, I think you would do much better if you studied the scriptures. Read in several versions. Get some decent Bible software. I recommended this in a much earlier post. Set your thoughts on GOD and / or on JESUS CHRIST, try to think what the scriptures are saying about heart, integrity, and looking forward to the life to come. Your hunt through PFAL is a trip underground down a rabbit warren. There is a way out, but will you find it? Anyway, I think I'm done with this. Somebody please wake me up if Mike ever comes up with something of substance.

Mike, in a few words, I could present quite a number of things I learned whilst in TWI. Possibly, probably, even from the Orange book. Things I learned then, and continue to believe now. And I know that it's in TWI that I learned those things, because I never learned them in the church I walked out of years before, because it was so boring. So, then, I find it astonishing that you won't share anything that you learned. You are "not prepared to present" anything. Even though you have seen "spectacular results." Most Christians love to share when they've seen "spectacular results" from seeing God at work. The difference between you and me (and other Christians), however, is that I (and other Christians) use the Scriptures as the basis for what I believe. And we give thanks and glory to God. Whereas, you use the Orange book as the basis of your beliefs. And give thanks and glory to a man.

Question is, though: What did Mike learn? Still waiting to hear from him. Just ONE THING.

Not singling anybody out, Mike. But if in 20 or more years you cannot point to any practical benefit - well, it seems to me that some local self-help group might be more helpful. Slimming World, or Assertiveness. Or even just an Art class. One would probably learn something practical at the very first session. Apologies, Modcat.

That's a ridiculous answer, Nike. If something is good, and you believe it, you'll do it. Goodness me, if someone tells you a new store in town has opened and it's a great place to find your favorite Wotsit, you'd believe them enough to go and visit the store and find out how many Wotsits they have, what sizes, colors, etc. Simply, you believed the person who told you, took action on that, went and did. That's practical application. Now you seem to be telling us that you don't do that with "God-breathed" PFAL materials. Wow, that is some recommendation. "PFAL is God-breathed, but I don't act on it." The implication, then, is that you don't believe it. Yet, you also say, "Living it..." One has to ask, Living what. then? I know when I first read the epistles, there's a lot of practical information in that; I read them, thought about what was said, and decided to do it. Even on an "exploratory" basis, I found it worked. So I still do those things. But you, you can't point to anything in PFAL that has had that profound effect on you? After all these many years of deep study? That is so sad. Anyway, if anything does occur to you, I opened a thread just for you to post such practical insights. I'm sure you've seen it.

A THREAD JUST FOR MIKE - post from the Theopneustos thread Let's make it easy. Nike, give us ONE THING that you know better than anybody else. ONE THING from the collaterals that you know and apply better than anyone here. ONE THING that works. Note: from the collaterals. So that means you aren't referring to the Bible or quoting verses, since elsewhere you've disavowed the Bible as anything other than "background." Be sure also that you aren't plagiarising other people's work. ONE THING. Quote one paragraph or sentence, one pronouncement of VPW. Then, show how it applies. How YOU have benefitted from it. EVERYBODY ELSE: please keep off thread. No tangents to distract him. Let's see if he actually has anything.

Let's make it easy. Nike, give us ONE THING that you know better than anybody else. ONE THING from the collaterals that you know and apply better than anyone here. ONE THING that works. Note: from the collaterals. So that means you aren't referring to the Bible or quoting verses, since elsewhere you've disavowed the Bible as anything other than "background." Be sure also that you aren't plagiarising other people's work. ONE THING. Quote one paragraph or sentence, one pronouncement of VPW. Then, show how it applies. How YOU have benefitted from it.

I think you meant as amended above, Sky.

You beat me to saying this, Waysider. Life is not "pure evil" just as nothing is "pure good." But just as having, say, a potato that is gnawed by slugs that have eaten it, or a piece of fruit that has been dropped and bruised - once you cut away the damaged areas, there's really very little that's usable left. Better to and get some new, undamaged, potatoes or fruit. The "good bits" relating to TWI in any event are mostly the lower-level people (not any writings), some of which people, I am the first to agree, are passionate, enthusiastic, and awesome. But that is because they love God - and not because they love PFAL.

Quite clear your name's MIKE not NIKE ("just do it!")

So why don't you just get on and write what you want to say? Stop "dealing with the audience" by dribs and drabs, and get on with the "main course." "Practice write-up"? Huh? If you took on board what people said, and refined your - whatever you're pretending to write - then it could be a practice write-up. But this drib and drab style, drip-feeding your morsels to an unappreciative audience, isn't practice - it's procrastination. Put up or shut up, Mike.

Waysider, stop baiting the silly beggar. Then, he'll have time to present his manifesto or thesis or whatever it is. Baiting him just prolongs the agony (from his PoV) or amusement (from our PoV).

And here was me thinking this thread (and the other) had gone very quiet. Quiet, because Mike is busy writing his "manifesto" and none of us here want to disturb him in that most important act.