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Looks like re-editing might be a job for DWBH.

Why??? I find "mass" a weird thing ("communion," too; the Anglican version). Isn't it supposed to be a "sacred" meal? Since when did people have meals kneeling down with their hands cupped? Or drink wine, kneeling (unless they've had too much!)? Too much ritual, for my liking. Anyway, Wildcat, enjoy your spiritual journey wherever it takes you. There is much to learn, from humble Christians everywhere.

Yeah, yeah! Considerable improvement on the original.

Either. Both. But not 114 pages!

Maybe you could copy it and post it as a document, or at least an attachment, here?

That needs a WARNING, Rejoice. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I cannot begin to tell you how horrifying it was, to learn about the sexual misdeeds at HQ and top leadership. All the years since they'd M&A'd me, all the mental anguish they'd caused me, and I'd been so sure they were right, whiter than white, simply wouldn't stand for adultery, child molestation and other shenanigans. There were a lot of allegations about the time I found out, about the RC church and its abuse of children. Smugly, I thought, "TWI would never behave like that!" No. They didn't. They behaved worse. I suppose there remains within me a residual anger at TWI and its LYING, FRAUD, MANIPULATION, ABUSE, that I could poke into life, but I prefer to use that residual anger to understand and help others who have been abused by those they trusted.

I was there. Most of you here - have only secondhand knowledge. Sky and OldSkool probably have first hand knowledge from Corps hookups. I had to listen to LCM's rants, live and in all spittle: front row seat, in fact. He spent months of Corps Nights ranting on about homos, 2 or 3 hour rants using foul language and foul descriptions of the alleged perverted activities these men did. Slandering people (men) who might or might not have been "guilty" of anything; these people just vanished from HQ and of course nobody had the opportunity to talk to them (one, I know, certainly had no such inclinations [blushes]). "Sniffing them out." "Spiritual suspicion." The first couple of rant-sessions, I thought, "There's obviously a problem here." But as the weeks turned into months, I wondered at his obsession with this. ("Methinks he doth protest too much."). There got to be some overspill into Sunday Night Service tapes. I wondered if he himself had a problem with homosexuality - whether he was a closet homosexual. I wondered at his sanity - but then, I was a newbie in-rez Corpswoman, and he was the spiritual leader; he knew better. In all of his rants, though, it was only males he ranted about - never about women with women. I find that interesting, sort of, now, knowing what I do. He was having it away with whatever women (other men's wives, single women, any women) for shorter or longer periods. I personally have talked with one woman who was his "squeeze" for a while; she told me in detail the sad tale of the decline of her marriage. And of LCM's role in that breakdown, his insidious comments about her cuckold husband. His wife was having it away with another woman, RFR, who herself "had him by the b---s," though only figuratively. (Perhaps this is where the serpent/lesbian idea crept in? It was a jibe against RFR.) But I only recall him ranting about females almost in passing. His obsession was men-with-men.

I don't give a f---. I'm free of that mind control and enjoy the ability to think and ponder over what I hear.

Yes, that's something they did to in rez Corps, usually in the first semester, and now and again at other times, too. There's some tiny trigger event, nothing significant, and it's an excuse to blast everyone in sight, threaten them, browbeat them some more. I think one of the provocations for throwing out my Corps was: we were out running, outside, one cold and frosty midwinter morning: the usual 6am wake-up. Ed Horney, Corps Coordinator, had decreed that we must all wear our hats. Now, if a person is running, something to be expected is - getting hot! - so some people took off their hats for a while towards the end of their runs. Adults, right? Able to make decisions as to personal comfort levels?? This crime of taking off one's hat was grounds for giving all of us a bo££ocking and threatening to throw all of us out for disobedience. Happily (?), we were all allowed to stay, providing we didn't dare stray into disobedience again. What? They'd rather we got heatstroke from being too bundled up? (Never mind injuring ourselves by slipping on the ice, or snow, that they were making us run on!!) There were occasional other events of this type.

Yep, your link works. I am offered "sub-channels" - Blaze, H2, Crime Investigation, etc. Can you send me a link to one of the episodes, and I can doubtless follow up from there and watch previous episodes. Thanks.

Penguin2, so sorry about the diagnosis that you've been given. I do believe that God desires health and healing for all, including and always, YOU; He made your magnificent body and He knows how to fix it. (But neither should we be foolish enough to ignore that sometimes the magnificence isn't fixed in this lifetime). Get pushy and demand healing. Meantime, while you're waiting, do what your docs tell you, and try to relax and enjoy life. Keep giving, keep sharing the gospel. And as to what the Mags told you: as the truth is usually diametrically opposite to what phony leadership pronounced, I'd suggest that instead of being the failure the Mags prophesied, you acknowledge they are false prophets; and the real truth is that you are in fact, in truth, a good wife and mom. Throw some ice-cold water on their fiery dart. You are still a seeker after God and the Lord Jesus, and that makes you anything but a failure. Jesus never called anyone a failure. He called them dear friends, companions, and empowered them.

Wish I could watch this program, but it's not available here. Aha! Just found some items by Lalich on YouTube. Might be worth a look.

Don’t know about “moving the Word,” but it strikes me that as far as WoG=WoG goes, this is the Will of God: Ezekiel 33:11- Say to them: 'As surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked should turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! And I Tim 2:3-4 - This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I doubt that much that we did helped people make the decision to “turn from their ways,” nor “come to a knowledge of the truth.” Unfortunately (God forgive us), too much that we did moved people into mere existence, and not “life in all its fullness.”

Yeah, LCM is in prison - with his Bible with the hand-turned pages. Much good that did him. FRAUDS the frikin lot of 'em.

"And if you ever want to talk, if you every want to do anything, we're here." In other words, YOU come to us. We are not going to find you (and apologise). No, Jacque. YOU come here, you apologise. You will get a lot of flack. But you might find a little forgiveness or compassion, too, IF if if you are humble enough. You will need to LISTEN and not to (pretend to) preach.

Blessed putrid be the fruit!

Stupid jargon phrase. Anyway, I don't know anybody except TWI that uses that phrase. Maybe, "speaking the Word" or "speaking the gospel" is better. In church we talk more about "outreach" or "evangelism." One of my favorite "hated phrases" is "the Word of God is the will of God." Sounds good. Pretty meaningless, at least in the way TWI used it.

This wasn't under VPW's reign. This was under LCM's reign. I can't remember if the Bible was for him, but probably so. Maybe a gift to commemorate the filming of the live Advanced Class? Or maybe someone, and some event, quite different. Most of you folk posting here are from the VPW era. Please don't bring everything back to that; those who suffered under LCM suffered a different reign of terror and manipulation. Servitude with a different flavor. Much worse, I think. I look back now and think, how could I ever have got so sucked into that state of mind? But it was that slow turn of the screw, the "short sharp shock" when we started in rez (with the lying promise of relaxation later) and the slow laying on of further burdens. Anybody else here from being in rez in the post-fog years? No doubt leadership of the time had their own set of burdens and pressures; Skyrider has written of some of these.

Now come on, Outie. We got $30/month and a shared room in Founders Hall, and three meals a day. But weird. Gently turning pages, in a Bible, or which the recipient probably had at least one already. I am not going to peruse my Corps journals to try to find out why we did this inane thing.

A random thought this morning, well not so random as I carefully parted the pages of a map that had got wet. Anybody else remember carefully turning over one page of a new bible that was to be given to some leadership person? I remember once in rez that we all got to turn a few pages of a brand-new ultra-thin page bible, so that the pages would be easier for the intended paragon of ability to open when he came to read the bible (big assumption there, I'm thinking!). To turn these pages was considered a privilege for the turners, and a blessing for the recipient. Yeah, right.

What I think is so amazing is how these people thought it was okay not only to expel people (at will) from various programs, but to order them out of the state or the town. And the victims complied! This, to people who may have given up good jobs, sold property at a loss, moved hundreds of miles (if not to say, moved from another country), disrupted children's education, etc - probably having become alienated from their family and friends who would form a support group - and it's okay to tell people who have demonstrated so significantly their commitment to the cause, that they've gotta be out of town in a few hours. Talk about a power imbalance - "leadership" exercised unfettered "rights" and the victims were so bullied and weakened that they were unable to resist. All because they were being "obedient to God." Grr! It's easy to see to whom such leadership had demonstrated so significantly their commitment - to the one who steals, kills and destroys. God might have a few things to say to such bullies about obedience and meekness.

Wow, there's just nothing like comforting (coming alongside) the bereaved, is there? Just who the f--- did these people think they were? Yeah, who did they think they were? Get outta the state. Get outta the planet. The really crazy thing is, Wayfers felt compelled to OBEY such ludicrous commands.

Well, the Horneys learned their trade under the "leadership" of LCM; they were Corps Coords at more than one campus. As did the Stricklands - learned their trade - not ever "leadership." Why should R&R be different, where the leaders were all modelled on "f--k up leadership"? (In all senses of f- up.)