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Heh heh heh, WW.

Jolly choice, WW. Looks like nobody else listens to anything. C'mon,, guys!

When I first read this, I didn't think it was a "fear" thing for Job. I thought it was something that a loving and responsible parent might do, to pray for his children. It took PFAL to show me that it might be a fear-filled thing to do. Don't parents in our time also pray for their children, to ask for their safety, and to ask for mercy if/when those kids have done foolish things? God help us all, if the slightest smidgeon of doubt or fear were to open the doors of hell upon us.

Hi, Bill, and welcome. I found this article in Keith Hagin's website. It covers the relevant section of Job: https://www.rhema.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2246:quit-blaming-god&catid=236:2014-april&Itemid=813 but it doesn't really cover what I meant, and a search in his website using only the word "idiom" brings up nothing at all that's useful. I don't think I can agree with you that God will rain down judgment on bad people: he wants all to be saved and to come to a knowledge of Him. Many times, good things happen to bad people (at least in the short term - maybe days, years or decades), and bad things happen to good people. We can learn fortitude from such. But that's tangential to any "idiom of permission" - if such exists. Maybe I will ask on one of the many Jewish websites that there are - Chabad, maybe.

What song most symbolises, or encapsulates, Christmas, for you? A piece of classical music? A pop song (please, no Bing!)? A carol or hymn? Something choral, or maybe something orchestral? Me, I'm thinking Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy. Lighthearted fun.

Different!!

Yes, I thought that, too. If they'd looked at this site, they'd've found a lot of other material. And if they'd talked with Ralph D, they'd've found a lot of info, if not "too much information." But for a couple of hours for a podcast, this was a good exposé.

Mince and cheese pie??????????? You know mince isn't meat, don't you? It's chopped up mixed fruit (sultanas, currants, apples and such like, together with spices), sometimes a few nuts mixed in. Originally called "mincemeat" - used to include mutton or beef, and is still traditionally bound together by suet (beef fat), but I don't know that that's always still a component. Is mince pie and cheese an Ozzie speciality?

Hmm. End of the second podcast: RFR is rumored to be [LCM]'s wife's former lover. Errr - former lover? Are they not shacked up together any more? Has one of them "got a life" outside (Donna has gone back to LCM? Hahaha!) As Ham might say: enquiring minds want to know!

Hey, willpower! I went to the supermarket and bought not mince pies - but carrots and a cauliflower!

Random thought for today: should I stop at the supermarket [store] on my way home this evening, and buy some more mince pies? Hmm. Well, maybe not so random, considering I ate the last but one half an hour ago.

Well done, TaxiDev. You took a thorough look and found it was just another flavor of Kool-Aid.

Much confusion, disillusion, all of our fears, no doubt.

Strange one! Welcome back! Where've you been?

Does nobody visit here any more? Have y'all gone down to the pub for a bevy or two? Did y'all get gathered together and somehow I got missed? (weeps quietly)

I suffered under LCM's reign of terror. He could be very manipulative - knew when to facemelt and when to play it quiet and sorrowful that (I) was so ... whatever he perceived me to be. Some of his horrible words still ring in my ears. I wish I could answer him back, now, and tell him that what he said was true (or not) but not in the way he meant. Because now I have a genuine Christian relationship and I know God and the Lord Jesus are at work in my life as I reach out to help others as they would wish. Anyway - what I've wondered since I first saw this thread was: I wonder how much retirement pension he gets? Because if he was paid anything like the HQ staff, he was on such a low wage that pension contributions would have been minimal. And he wouldn't have made up much in years in later "real" working life. Perhaps that was supposed to be covered by the big pay-off he allegedly received.

Cheers. Raf!

Old enough to draw his retirement pension. What contribs did TWI make towards that, I wonder?

Heck, I'm really glad I got some special toenail fungus killer from my doctor. After 12 months treatment, my horrible-looking toenails are gradually growing out. You saying, Raf, that I might have been harbouring demons???

Come join us in the UK. You can buy a beer at age 18. Do the other things you mention, too. You forgot to mention, drive a car, a potentially lethal item. Yes, it's a weird distinction, stemming from who knows what time; a distinction that, I suspect, is widely ignored by very many young people.

Welcome, Chainclanker2. Who knows, you might meet other people you know here. You can post a little about yourself in the New Members section and perhaps if someone knows you they will contact you. As for Paula Wrenn, I assume you've tried the old favorite, Facebook? There are a few PWs there.

I thought of something else today. VPW was keen on saying that every generation needed to work the word and make it that generation's own. He had these special revelations from God to enable him to make it his generation's own; that's why he was the (cough) Man of God For Our Day and Time (yeah, right). Well. The man has been dead for 30 years. It's a different generation now. And by VPW's own criteria, what he taught is out of date. So we need a different MOGFODAT or WOGFODAT to freshly work the word. To make it relevant for the next (current) generation. The issues that have to be faced now are doubtless basically still the same; but the approach to dealing with those issues needs to be very different. Younger people's values are somewhat different from older people's, parental age; and definitely different from their grandparents. Hey, plagiarise VPW all you like, Rozilla, others "leading" TWI; you still just plain don't - get - it.

This refers to the two Bible quotes from Luke shown above. I am sure that Jesus "re-searched" the scriptures. Worked through the Hebrew scrolls, listened to his teachers, looked at what the practice was among leaders of the synagogues and the temple. He might have been able to read tracts (targums) by older and maybe current rabbis. I am sure that he did as the OED suggests: "systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions." Because that's what enabled him to say, many times and in many ways, "Do what they say, but don't do as they do." Note that he "asked questions," not argumentatively, but to ascertain truths. The word "research" is undoubtedly from "re-search" but the aim would not be to validate previous works straight-out; but to ascertain whether those works were in fact (still) valid at all; if not, why not; what had been missed or corrupted, whether the hypothesis upon which the conclusion was founded was appropriate in light of later knowledge. Were it not so, we might still be dealing with Greek ideas of medicine and how to treat illnesses. Perhaps tying dead mice against our cheeks to ward off toothache, and such like. In Biblical terms, it may be that the OT prophets were such men (and women) who studied such scrolls as were available to them, and worked out new conclusions, not following ancient practices. They understood the heart behind the mere words, and were able to apply that in new ways. Perhaps not as superstitious as many of the general populace around them. Perhaps these OT prophets were more logical or rational men and women (except for Ezekiel, who was an amazing visionary). It was something that impressed me about the "research" aspect of TWI: that it studied current thinking and new discoveries (like the Dead Sea scrolls) and worked that new information into what they taught. Oh, what a fool I was. Mea culpa. I should have taken such information as was available, and good (ie, that which had been provided by genuine workers of the word, those such as Stiles, Bullinger, and others) and run!

But they did know what citing sources was about. When I prepared my research paper, it was rejected at first submission because I didn't cite my sources, or rather did not quote enough TWI material. I'd quoted Bible verses that I used in support of what I was saying. But what they wanted me to cite, very specifically, was the TWI publications from which I'd got my material. This was a bit difficult, because I didn't use many (if any) Way publications. I worked a section of the Bible, that took me to another section and bunch of OT stuff, and so on. It simply wasn't anything that had been taught in TWI, nor had there been, to my knowledge, any publications covering any part of it; if there were, nobody pointed out that xxxxx had covered this in his book/paper/article yyyyy. I had to go back and "retrofit" a few citations from basic PFAL material though they didn't exactly support what I was saying. No interest in my citing any external sources, of course. (Heh heh, and they couldn't tell me I was "off piste" with my research paper because it very directly responded to the project title that had been given to me by LCM himself.)